Harry Kane

[Dr Know]

I agree, but this is currently mild relief compared to match threads. If Kane leaves and we don't properly invest, then things will take an ill turn.

Agreed mate

If we need to get the knives out, Levy should get the first 100 cuts. He is completely responsible for our current situation. We were a circus and a laughing stock. The players have to take some responsibility but players need mental stability to accompany their skills. That shit show must have affected the players. Conte came in and we were on the up but we didn’t sign players in the position we needed the most and Conte’s rant only told us what we already knew.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

Probably the greatest player I will ever see play for spurs, and a proper one in a million bloke out the academy. Cheers for defining my teenage years H

 

[KingNick]

Bloody hell! The guy hasn’t said or done anything but be a professional, add to that he is still a Spurs player and the knives are already out!

This time round, that’s true. But Not too long since he literally went on strike, after effectively demanding a transfer when speaking to Gary Neville.

The fact efforts by his camp to get him out have been going on since, then it’s not surprising some aren’t too happy with him.

 

[Japhet]

This time round, that’s true. But Not too long since he literally went on strike, after effectively demanding a transfer when speaking to Gary Neville.

The fact efforts by his camp to get him out have been going on since, then it’s not surprising some aren’t too happy with him.

That Neville interview really broke it for me. Without that I'd be gutted he's probably leaving now, but after that shit show I'm just 'whatever'. Hope the Circus comes to an end soon.

 

[Adam456]

There is a decent chance that I am deluded - so I will own that.

And I think Kane is a great player - a true Spurs Legend.

But, he may have a harder time adjusting to Ange's tactics than some of the others. Ange relies on the team to create scoring opportunities - the 3 forwards and both 8s are all part of the attack, and the interplay amongst all of them is important to the attacking movement.

For several years now, we have run everything through Kane - we rely on him to drop deep to get the ball, to move the ball, and to score goals. Ange, is a bit of the opposite where it will not rely on a single player - but rather the collective. Kane would have to adjust how he plays to make the system work effectively. He will have to learn to trust the other players to do their jobs - something he has not had to do for a few years. We saw a little of that against West Ham -and while I am certain that Kane will adjust, the drop-off from Kane to a different striker will not be as steep as most think. Our success will hinge more on how the other players step-up - than the goal output of a replacement striker.

So, I think success without Kane could be more likely - if we use the funds to truly upgrade LCB position (and depth), a multi-purpose Forward, and ensure we have proper depth at CM. The team will be better - even if the striker position is worse.

There is a very good analysis of what a CF should be doing in AP's system below and how Kane wasn't really doing that against West Ham (which as you say is arguably about not trusting the players around him).

Question is would he be willing to completely change his MO of the last few years and go back to being a pure striker. AP has a history of getting rid of top players who he thinks can't or won't buy into his tactics. From this POV getting £100m for Kane and moving on starts to make a lot of sense

From about 4:45 here:

 

[Dr Know]

That Neville interview really broke it for me. Without that I'd be gutted he's probably leaving now, but after that shit show I'm just 'whatever'. Hope the Circus comes to an end soon.

I agree with most of what you’re saying mate but I can’t hold anything against Harry for wanting out of the circus (back then or now)
I can see Levy getting a free pass again and it’s sickening.
I said back then that we should have sold him as I only want players who want to be here. Maybe it’s a good thing we didn’t because we would have probably finished in the bottom 3 at best without his contribution.
I’ve not seen the interview, so can’t really comment on that part of your post.
Does anyone know where I could watch it?

 

[Woodyy]

This time round, that’s true. But Not too long since he literally went on strike, after effectively demanding a transfer when speaking to Gary Neville.

The fact efforts by his camp to get him out have been going on since, then it’s not surprising some aren’t too happy with him.

I originally marked this as disagree but looked back and remembered he actually refused to turn up for a training after that Neville interview. A lot of people (myself included) seem to have forgotten about that part. One thing I will say is he’s not the first person (or the last) to have accused Levy of not honouring a gentleman’s agreement.

If we can get £90m+ for him I’d say let him go, I absolutely love the guy regardless of what’s gone on but we either let him go now or in a year for nothing.

 

[robotsonic]

There is a very good analysis of what a CF should be doing in AP's system below and how Kane wasn't really doing that against West Ham (which as you say is arguably about not trusting the players around him).

Question is would he be willing to completely change his MO of the last few years and go back to being a pure striker. AP has a history of getting rid of top players who he thinks can't or won't buy into his tactics. From this POV getting £100m for Kane and moving on starts to make a lot of sense

From about 4:45 here:

He's going to go back to playing as a pure striker for Munich if he goes there to be fair. We're probably the only option on the table to be honest in terms of letting him just pick his role and we'll build the team around him as at any other club, despite the fee, he's just another employee.

 

[Johnny J]

He's going to go back to playing as a pure striker for Munich if he goes there to be fair. We're probably the only option on the table to be honest in terms of letting him just pick his role and we'll build the team around him as at any other club, despite the fee, he's just another employee.

I'm not sure we even build the team around him at Spurs, or to get the best out of him.

For the last few seasons it's basically been defend (badly), try to hit them on the break and generally hope Kane conjures some magic.

If we had a midfield that actually created chances Kane wouldn't have needed to constantly drop so deep.

Last season we were generally awful the entire season and yet somehow Kane managed to score 30 in the league. That's how good he is. If he was at City and stayed up top, he'd get Haaland numbers.

 

[Cel]

I'm not sure we even build the team around him at Spurs, or to get the best out of him.

For the last few seasons it's basically been defend (badly), try to hit them on the break and generally hope Kane conjures some magic.

If we had a midfield that actually created chances Kane wouldn't have needed to constantly drop so deep.

Last season we were generally awful the entire season and yet somehow Kane managed to score 30 in the league. That's how good he is. If he was at City and stayed up top, he'd get Haaland numbers.

I broadly agree, especially on how effective me may be, except I think Kane *really* likes dropping deep and spraying passes around. He does it for England too, when it's not strictly necessary. Staying up top and being trod on by CH's all game doesn't 100% feel like something he'd enjoy doing.

Though at Bayern he'd be dropping off to play through balls for Sane and Gnabry lol, who are both rapid, not sure it would be an issue

 

[robotsonic]

Think if City built around him he'd beat Haaland numbers for sure. Nuts really the jerk off session over him last season, beating Kane by so few goals as a flat track bully, while Kane is playing number 9 and 10 for us and scoring in so many fixtures while Haaland had no effect on 99% of City's enormous possession.

I think Jose tried to build around him, and in some ways it was the making of the Kane we've seen lately as just being able to showcase everything, but Conte never really seemed to have a plan for him and it became very much as you describe.

I think if he stayed you could actually look to build around him, but unless he signs a contract there's no point in it.

 

[gibbospurs]

Watched him score that goal vs Arsenal live, watched him beat the record vs City with my 7. Year old son Live. But when he’s gone he’s gone. There will always be another! Tbh I always struggled to attach to him as a player. Probably all the boring pc shit they have to spill out. Much prefer Sonny for example for just being him. And not toeing the line. We need more mavericks in football.

 

[TC18]

I originally marked this as disagree but looked back and remembered he actually refused to turn up for a training after that Neville interview. A lot of people (myself included) seem to have forgotten about that part. One thing I will say is he’s not the first person (or the last) to have accused Levy of not honouring a gentleman’s agreement.

If we can get £90m+ for him I’d say let him go, I absolutely love the guy regardless of what’s gone on but we either let him go now or in a year for nothing.

Not just that, it was released whilst we still had something to play for, I struggled for a while to forgive and forget..

Anyway, no point dwelling on it. He’s given us years of service and some amazing memories. Looks like it will be topped off with a decent transfer fee with only a year left on his contract and willing to go to another league.

Attention needs to be turned to ENIC, they need to invest this money as well as any other money they had set aside for this transfer window to find suitable replacements. We should have enough to sort the 2 CBs without dipping into the Kane money.

 

[JacoZA]

It may be more apposite to say that success probably won't depend on either option.

That is well said.

 

[JacoZA]

This is exactly the kind of delusion I’m talking about. “Oh he never performed in finals.” Give me a break.

He’s the best striker to have ever played for the club, he’s arguably been the best striker in the world over the last decade.

There’s no world where we aren’t worse off without Kane in the team.

Him leaving is a huge blow to our ambitions and plans and people need to stop kidding themselves that it isn’t.

This is my point - there’s no way you can claim an absolute like that with certainty. You are saying that there is zero chance that the effects of reinvestment in players and tactics of a Kane-less team does not lead to overall better results? Even a basic understanding of probability makes it obvious that there should at least be some chance.

You could certainly argue a case that we might be more likely to succeed with Harry Kane. But I am questioning whether the difference in likelihood is clear cut. Because you could just as easily make a strong case for the reverse. And then, as I mentioned, when you add in the unpredictable nature of football, does it not become the fifth day of a weather forecast?

(I am not trying to be a Farseer here. Think of me more as an Inquisitor. )

 

[gibbospurs]

Bloody hell! The guy hasn’t said or done anything but be a professional, add to that he is still a Spurs player and the knives are already out!

Well, he already fucked part of that when he wanted to leave 2 years ago?

 

[gibbospurs]

If we can get 85/90m£ and a sale out of England we really can’t complain. If he wants out we really can’t complain? He’s clearly done with us mentally. And needs a new challenge. God knows why to Germany? But I’m sure things will become clear soon. We’ve always played better without him in the big games.

 

[DenverSpur]

To imply that he failed to get them over line and that its his responsibility is just wrong.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t be the star in the team and be excused of not putting in a ”star” performance in the big important games. In any walk of life when the big moments arrive and the pressure is the highest people look to their star performers to lead by example and inspire them all to succeed. That’s how and when you achieve greatest.

Unfortunately for Tottenham when we really needed Derek Jeter we got Alex Rodriguez! A bit unfair maybe but we could have done with Kane having Jeter like performances in the really big games.

 

[littlewilly]

That Neville interview really broke it for me. Without that I'd be gutted he's probably leaving now, but after that shit show I'm just 'whatever'. Hope the Circus comes to an end soon.

For a number of reasons, some I can put my finger on, some I can't, I have no great affection for Harry. I go back as far as the Greavsie/Gilly days and over the years I've held a number of players in really high esteem and great affection. Brilliant player of course but he's never been one of my all time favourites. Maybe if he spent the rest of his career here I'd change my view.

 

[jbstarr14]

1) We’re not losing 30 goals a season when Kane goes - maybe a new striker gets 15, maybe Richie gets 10, maybe Son and Deki get an extra 3 or 4, maybe Maddison gets a few. A lot of maybes, yes, but we won’t be 30 goals a season worse off.

2) HK doesn’t ’deserve’ trophies any more than we as a club ’deserve’ them. Maybe it’s a combination of my age and upbringing, but the sense of entitlement I see around me these days is maddening. To see it on behalf of someone else is maddening and baffling.

3) I don’t care about how many trophies HK has to his name when he retires. When my time comes (hopefully a good number of years from now) I know for a fact that I won’t be lying there thinking “I wish I’d seen Harry Kane win the CL back in 2019”. Nobody looks back at ‘61 and says, “You know, I’m glad Blanchflower got to win the double - he deserved it”. We look back with wistful affection at the team that won it.