Player Gleison Bremer

[chrisd2k]

Unfortunately for us it seems next summer is best for CB shopping

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Even Chelsea are moving down their lists, gone are the days where they would just weigh in on Plan A. Raphinha turned them down, there was also talk they were going after Dembele, but looks like it’ll be Sturridge instead. Plus wasn’t there rumours they wanted either Kounde and/or De Ligt to replace Rudiger and Christiansen. Looks like they’ll get Ake and Kouilbailly.
So the very fact we have moved as quickly as we have suggests we are working to a more defined plan.

 

[iddebu52]

Unfortunately for us it seems next summer is best for CB shopping

Depends what remains out there really interesting to shop for after all the strong cb are gone!

 

[Aphex]

They had to replace Rudiger but not many teams have more than 1 top centre back. We have Romero , Liverpool VVD and City Diaz.

This just isn't true, all of Liverpool's other CBs are better than ours.

Konate and Matip are top top class. Gomez would get in our team.

Stones is better than Dier and Davies.

I just feel we are wasting an opportunity to really challenge if we don't secure a top CB. The best we can hope for with Davies and Dier at the back is fighting for third / fourth, it will be our level.

 

[fletch82]

Don't think it's going to happen this window mate, unfortunately.

It looks like the ones we really want aren't available this summer (Gvardiol & Bastoni)

Which is frustrating as I don't think Davies & Dier are good enough for a title-challenging team.

Would that be the same dier and davies that were in a title challenging team twice ? ?

Ohh and just as a also matip wouldn't walk in to our starting 11 and stones wouldn't either. ?

 

[Guntz]

Would that be the same dier and davies that were in a title challenging team twice ? ?

Ohh and just as a also matip wouldn't walk in to our starting 11 and stones wouldn't either. ?

Matip bossed a champions league final against us and has been an integral part of a Liverpool side that's won the champions league and multiple domestic trophies.

Stones has also won multiple titles playing nearly 200 games for City.

The bias on here is actually astounding at times - take your Spurs tinted glasses off!

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

Forget arguing about whether Dier is good enough to challenge for the PL, we need a genuine option to compete with him. Last year when he was out, our defence fell to pieces, even with Romero on the pitch.

It's clear we need another proper defender who can organise the back line. I think Bremer would've been a smart option as he could cover Romero too, whilst we probably could've sold both Sanchez and Rodon to recoup his fee.

If we can't get a top class option then I'm sure we will look for a steady CB in the twilight years of their career. De Vrij could still be an option? Though there have been no links so maybe Conte doesn't feel he's a great fit.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Would that be the same dier and davies that were in a title challenging team twice ? ?

Ohh and just as a also matip wouldn't walk in to our starting 11 and stones wouldn't either. ?

We had Verts and Toby at the back, though.

 

[mil1lion]

Matip bossed a champions league final against us and has been an integral part of a Liverpool side that's won the champions league and multiple domestic trophies.

Stones has won multiple league titles playing nearly playing 200 games for City.

The overrating of some of our players on here is actually mental at times.

Or maybe you're underrating them.
Besides it's the sum of all parts under a top coach that makes the difference. Under Conte we've been quality with Davies, Dier and Romero now they've played the system for several months. We need quality in depth more than 1 stand out player.

 

[mil1lion]

Romero’s instinct is to really get out and win the ball though and that central role really has to cover, even more so no we are looking to be more progressive from the left. It’s not only about the passing quality from the centre.

Sure but we're only talking of a cover for Dier when needing to rotate a bit. I'm not sure there's many we could get who could do the job as well or better than Romero. I mean Romero might be better than Bremer for that role with his ability on the ball. He also played the role for Atalanta and although they played a different way it does show he can do it. I think Dier is going to start a lot of games this season though. The role he has doesn't require too much ground to be covered so it's actually a position that doesn't require too much rest.

 

[Aphex]

Or maybe you're underrating them.
Besides it's the sum of all parts under a top coach that makes the difference. Under Conte we've been quality with Davies, Dier and Romero now they've played the system for several months. We need quality in depth more than 1 stand out player.

Mate you're getting carried away with 6 months of form under Conte. Matip is much better and more proven than Dier and Davies.

The bias is astounding I agree.

Liverpool have much better CBs.

We've won nothing, Liverpool have won multiple major trophies with their CBs. We finished 4th, keep it in perspective.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Unfortunately for us it seems next summer is best for CB shopping

I tend to agree with this. I kind of feel we will keep an eye on Bastoni until the death but it does feel like the only three defenders Conte really rates are Bastoni, Givardiol and Bremer and none of them are really doable for varying reasons. Beyond that I feel Conte just doesn't rate the likes of Torres and Ndicka enough to spend any significant amount on them. Of course that mindset might change later in the window if/when it becomes apparent that Bastoni isn't in any way possible, at the moment it still feels like the door is slightly ajar and will remain that way until Skriniar leaves. It may well end up being a case that we will roll with what we have and aim to bring in one next summer, I guess the advantage of that is new talent might come into view, much like Givardiol has this past season.

 

[Aphex]

Matip bossed a champions league final against us and has been an integral part of a Liverpool side that's won the champions league and multiple domestic trophies.

Stones has also won multiple titles playing nearly 200 games for City.

The bias on here is actually astounding at times - take your Spurs tinted glasses off!

Absolutely spot on. Davies wasn't even a first choice player 6 months ago, now he's better than all of Liverpool and Man City's CBs. Laughable.

Dier has about 1 year to 18 months of proven good form as a CB. Matip and Konate have bossed CL finals.

 

[YB123]

I tend to agree with this. I kind of feel we will keep an eye on Bastoni until the death but it does feel like the only three defenders Conte really rates are Bastoni, Givardiol and Bremer and none of them are really doable for varying reasons. Beyond that I feel Conte just doesn't rate the likes of Torres and Ndicka enough to spend any significant amount on them. Of course that mindset might change later in the window if/when it becomes apparent that Bastoni isn't in any way possible, at the moment it still feels like the door is slightly ajar and will remain that way until Skriniar leaves. It may well end up being a case that we will roll with what we have and aim to bring in one next summer, I guess the advantage of that is new talent might come into view, much like Givardiol has this past season.

Know him do you?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Know him do you?

Who, @chrisd2k? No not in person, but he's a good poster. Seems like good people.

 

[gavspur]

Know him do you?

Master Yoda, is that you?!!?

 

[mil1lion]

Mate you're getting carried away with 6 months of form under Conte. Matip is much better and more proven than Dier and Davies.

The bias is astounding I agree.

Liverpool have much better CBs.

We've won nothing, Liverpool have won multiple major trophies with their CBs. We finished 4th, keep it in perspective.

Isn't the point that we have had Conte since November and got considerably better? I'm not getting carried away with anything, I just recognise how good the back 3 is in this system. I mean Dier and Davies are way better in this system as is Sanchez for that matter. I appreciate they're not world class or anything but they were collectively excellent. Conte doesn't need all his players top class much like Klopp. They have players looking better because they're elite coaches.

 

[mil1lion]

Absolutely spot on. Davies wasn't even a first choice player 6 months ago, now he's better than all of Liverpool and Man City's CBs. Laughable.

Dier has about 1 year to 18 months of proven good form as a CB. Matip and Konate have bossed CL finals.

They've only worked under Conte since November so surely its best to compare the form since then. It really doesn't matter if Davies wasn't first choice because we didn't play back 3 under an elite coach until then. It also doesn't matter if Dier has only come good as a centre back in this system. The point is we have gone to a back 3 and now they're looking far better for it. We don't need them to match player for player, the system works and we have been far tighter at the back with Davies, Dier and Romero and even when Sanchez came in. Liverpool have had years under Klopp so of course they will have players who have had years performing at a top level. We've come a long way in such a short space of time though. Probably better at the back than Liverpool were 6 months under Klopp.

 

[wiggo24]

This just isn't true, all of Liverpool's other CBs are better than ours.

Konate and Matip are top top class. Gomez would get in our team.

Stones is better than Dier and Davies.

I just feel we are wasting an opportunity to really challenge if we don't secure a top CB. The best we can hope for with Davies and Dier at the back is fighting for third / fourth, it will be our level.

I agree. People are looking at what Conte's done to Dier and Davies as proof that we're all fine because they've both been solid. What they should be doing is looking at what Conte could potentially do with defenders who have an even better starting point.

If he can turn Dier into a really solid CCB, imagine how good Koulibaly would be under him! If he can turn Davies into a good LCB, imagine what he could do with Gvardiol! It's a lack of ambition and it's exactly the mentality that led to us signing nobody for two windows and stagnating as a result.

 

[wiggo24]

Would that be the same dier and davies that were in a title challenging team twice ? ?

Ohh and just as a also matip wouldn't walk in to our starting 11 and stones wouldn't either. ?

Dier, granted, but Davies was back-up to Rose the season we challenged, and Dier was playing as a CDM in front of Toby and Jan (two bonafide world class defenders). It was also a really weak season, whereas you now need 90+ MINIMUM to even stand a chance at finishing above Pool/City. Their squads are full of world class players, there's a limit to what even Conte can do to make historically average-to-good players compete.