Future heroes or 'Big-time Charlies'?

[stemark44]

I think the performances of our players since the cup final are a good indication of their desire to achieve great things for the club.
Football teams are very similar to the workforce of any company – a company will only be successful if they have enough workers who will go that extra yard to achieve success – if the workers are content to rest on their laurels and only do enough to get by - the company will reach a level but will not progress.
Some disgruntled fans have said that it is the managers fault – bad tactics,playing out of position or not using the rest of the squad.The manager and coach have tried to motivate these players by constantly reminding them that they are playing for their futures at the club – it has had very little impact on them.
Do most of our players look hungry to kick on and prove themselves or do they look like ‘Big-time Charlies’ who have reached their goal for the season(European qualification)and decided to have a well earned rest for the remainder of the season?
Is their mentality a recipe for future success or should the manager show them the door?

 

[DC_Boy]

I think the performances of our players since the cup final are a good indication of their desire to achieve great things for the club.
Football teams are very similar to the workforce of any company – a company will only be successful if they have enough workers who will go that extra yard to achieve success – if the workers are content to rest on their laurels and only do enough to get by - the company will reach a level but will not progress.
Some disgruntled fans have said that it is the managers fault – bad tactics,playing out of position or not using the rest of the squad.The manager and coach have tried to motivate these players by constantly reminding them that they are playing for their futures at the club – it has had very little impact on them.
Do most of our players look hungry to kick on and prove themselves or do they look like ‘Big-time Charlies’ who have reached their goal for the season(European qualification)and decided to have a well earned rest for the remainder of the season?
Is their mentality a recipe for future success or should the manager show them the door?

well to my mind the team are already footballing heroes because they won the Carling - a decade transforming victory that has made me very happy

as to the future - if JR tranferred all the first team squad we wouldn't have much of a chance next season - and trying to pick out particular players as non-triers won't be easy

to me one of the biggest non-performers since that day at Wembley has been Keane - but lots would disagree he should be shown the door

others think JJ is a major culprit - whereas I disagree entirely etc etc

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

well to my mind the team are already footballing heroes because they won the Carling - a decade transforming victory that has made me very happy

as to the future - if JR tranferred all the first team squad we wouldn't have much of a chance next season - and trying to pick out particular players as non-triers won't be easy

to me one of the biggest non-performers since that day at Wembley has been Keane - but lots would disagree he should be shown the door

others think JJ is a major culprit - whereas I disagree entirely etc etc

really? seriously?

would anyone have said that 12 months ago or at any other time other than covering for what has been a pretty disappointing season? It was a great day and rescued our european profile but its starting to make me feel a bit silly when people go on about it the day after 3 english clubs fight for a champions league final spot!


Right, ill stop being miserable now. The players could be forgiven for losing a bit of edge and fight, especially when playing teams who are fighting for something. My only worry is theyve made themselves replacable for the new coach when we should really hnag on to the bulk of the team, we know the quality is there we just need it applied and moulded around the right circumstances.

As DC said, picking out individuals for not trying is impossible, something has happened to the dressing room and it will need a break and a pre-season for Wendy to knock it out of them and get the fire burning again, its a sad situation but i dont expect much from any games left this season.

 

[si_yidarmy]

well to my mind the team are already footballing heroes because they won the Carling - a decade transforming victory that has made me very happy

as to the future - if JR tranferred all the first team squad we wouldn't have much of a chance next season - and trying to pick out particular players as non-triers won't be easy

to me one of the biggest non-performers since that day at Wembley has been Keane - but lots would disagree he should be shown the door

others think JJ is a major culprit - whereas I disagree entirely etc etc

i think its keane, JJ and a few others! The Carling cup wasnt the reason why we should be exstatic about winnig silverwear. Its the manor we did it, a bit of happiness in our obismal season. On and off the pitch!

The carling cup is realisticly the mickey mouse cup, but i think we were desperate for anything. Loved every second of it, but JJ is a main culprit

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

I agree that the players as a group have shown themselves to be lacking so far in the winning mentality. This might seem a contradiction as they've won a trophy for the first time on 9 years, but this should have been regarded as a first step on the long road to achievement and has instead been seen as an excuse to celebrate and look forward to close season.

I believe Juande Ramos made a grave strategic error in allowing the players to celebrate and party in mid-season, and I suspect it is one he won't make again, as the squad as a whole have shown themselves to be too immature to cope with such supposedly temporary laxity.

I don't believe that this necessarily means that there should be wholesale changes in the squad, but they will be kept on a much tighter rein in future if Ramos is the taskmaster he appears to be.

In my view, as I've previously stated, the Carling Cup win was our "Get out of jail free" card, which meant that the squad can continue to evolve; but lessons have to be learned from all the mistakes made this season, from Board level down to the players and coaches.

 

[Locotoro]

I agree that the players as a group have shown themselves to be lacking so far in the winning mentality. This might seem a contradiction as they've won a trophy for the first time on 9 years, but this should have been regarded as a first step on the long road to achievement and has instead been seen as an excuse to celebrate and look forward to close season.

I believe Juande Ramos made a grave strategic error in allowing the players to celebrate and party in mid-season, and I suspect it is one he won't make again, as the squad as a whole have shown themselves to be too immature to cope with such supposedly temporary laxity.

I don't believe that this necessarily means that there should be wholesale changes in the squad, but they will be kept on a much tighter rein in future if Ramos is the taskmaster he appears to be.

In my view, as I've previously stated, the Carling Cup win was our "Get out of jail free" card, which meant that the squad can continue to evolve; but lessons have to be learned from all the mistakes made this season, from Board level down to the players and coaches.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I was surprised when Ramos allowed the players to party hard and for so long during mid season. If the players had kept focused we could have ultimately seen ourselves pushing the top 7 and fighting in the latter stages of the Uefa cup.

I really dont feel like giving too much credit to the players to be honest (strange feeling), with the exception of a few (Hutton, Woodgate, Malbranque) they all have seemed to have taken their foot off the pedal. For me this is a sign of being unprofessional.

I actually think that the CC win should be squarely attributed to Ramos as it seems to me that he pulled the players kicking and screaming to the win by drilling them so hard.

I doubt very much that we will see the same starting line up by next December as we see now, some of the players don't have the drive to take us to the next level. But I have complete faith in Ramos, just the signings that have been made since he has arrived shows that he understands what is needed in the mentality of top players these days

 

[DC_Boy]

really? seriously?

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HI SBP - yep really seriously

I was dreading this decade being the first barren one since the 1930s (full decades the 40s were only half a decade)

it would not have sat right with our great history at all

I was born in the 50s and I'm used to seeing Spurs win trophies every decade (only Man U can match that proud record)

it looked like this decade was gonna be the big let down especially As the team of 2002 really *****d up big time at Cardiff (partly/mainly due to poor management by Hod)

so yes a decade transforming victory and to me the players (and management) are footballing heroes for acheiving it

 

[stemark44]

HI SBP - yep really seriously

I was dreading this decade being the first barren one since the 1930s (full decades the 40s were only half a decade)

it would not have sat right with our great history at all

I was born in the 50s and I'm used to seeing Spurs win trophies every decade (only Man U can match that proud record)

it looked like this decade was gonna be the big let down especially As the team of 2002 really *****d up big time at Cardiff (partly/mainly due to poor management by Hod)

so yes a decade transforming victory and to me the players (and management) are footballing heroes for acheiving it

I don't quite understand your 10 year plan DC -are you saying that it is quite acceptable for Spurs to languish in mid-table mediocrity so long as we win a cup once every decade!
If thats the case please don't let our players get wind of this - otherwise the current lot won't try a leg until 2018!

 

[gavspur]

I think its blatantly obvious that 1-4 of our starting 11 at Wembley will not be in a starting 11 for us again if we were in the final next year.. There is a lack of winning mentality in our squad, and that needs to be addressed.. Jol talked about it a lot in his 1st season, and then got Davids in to help that and coach the youngsters, which then helped us win games like Wigan away etc, lifting us to 5th (should've been 4th).. They are the games us Spurs fans come to hate as we always lose, but that season we were actually winning them.. So, i think what is needed is two players of quality who are winners, this WILL cost, but it'll help turn our future heroes into present heroes a lot quicker.

 

[chinaman]

Yes, it's about winning mentality. Jol talked about it a lot and now Ramos and Gus are talking about it in different terms. Yet apart from the occasions of the CC matches, very few of our players have responded to the call.

We need a real captain that demands urgency from the lads on the pitch; and perhaps we need a major infusion of new blood.

 

[DC_Boy]

I don't quite understand your 10 year plan DC -are you saying that it is quite acceptable for Spurs to languish in mid-table mediocrity so long as we win a cup once every decade!
If thats the case please don't let our players get wind of this - otherwise the current lot won't try a leg until 2018!

Hi Stemark - of course I'm not -

what I am saying is that it's unacceptable for us not to win at least trophy per decade - and under Hodd Jol Santini Pleat and anyone else I've missed out we failed to do that

under Ramos (with help from the aforementioned in building the squad) we managed that - hence they're footballing heroes for me

I also think in these days of big 4 dominance people sometimes how diffficult it is to win a trophy

here are some clubs who claim have claimed this decade to be rivals/as big as/bigger than us

Toon Toffees Villa West Ham Leeds Forest

what do they share in common - potlessness this decade

I could actually name sevral clubs to add to that list - but they are clearly delusional - but charlton soton mackems are just some I've heard make this claim too

 

[stemark44]

Call me psychic but I have just noticed the thread where the goat(our new ITK)states that no matter how hard they try our management team cannot motivate approximately 4-5 players.
Is this really a lack of 'winning mentality' or as I think - just a shower of lazy bastards!

 

[stemark44]

Just noticed this also -Try a google search for big-time Charlie and take a look at the first article!