Match Threads Fulham vs Spurs

[DJS]

Getting so bored of us limply going out of cup competitions to teams we should be beating…

It is Ange’s first season and he is assessing players so give him a pass, but it’s so frustrating to see us out out a completely different team again and most of them to play crap.

Hopefully he‘ll be ruthless and actually get shot of some of them, although will also depend on if he is able to do so.

 

[RJR1949]

Possible explanations for last night’s team selection, not all mutually exclusive.

1: Ange genuinely wanted to see who could make it in his system and who needs to go (Bye bye Lo Celso and Hojbjerg, might we you a

2: He wanted to demonstrate to DL that new signings are needed (Hello Ansu Fati and Brennan Johnson)

3: He doesn’t mind not having cup games in the Autumn to give him for time to work with the players on his system

4: The first choice players were tired.

5: He cocked it up.

 

[dk-yid]

I stand by what I wrote. Ange was wrong to make 9 changes and I would have said the same if we’d won. If he wouldn’t pick that same 11 for a PL game then he shouldn’t pick it for a cup game. Every game should be taken equally seriously or we might as well not enter the competition in the first place

Bollocks.

 

[Gbspurs]

Possible explanations for last night’s team selection, not all mutually exclusive.

1: Ange genuinely wanted to see who could make it in his system and who needs to go (Bye bye Lo Celso and Hojbjerg, might we you a

2: He wanted to demonstrate to DL that new signings are needed (Hello Ansu Fati and Brennan Johnson)

3: He doesn’t mind not having cup games in the Autumn to give him for time to work with the players on his system

4: The first choice players were tired.

5: He cocked it up.

It's a mix of most of these I'd wager.

 

[Gb160]

Possible explanations for last night’s team selection, not all mutually exclusive.

1: Ange genuinely wanted to see who could make it in his system and who needs to go (Bye bye Lo Celso and Hojbjerg, might we you a

2: He wanted to demonstrate to DL that new signings are needed (Hello Ansu Fati and Brennan Johnson)

3: He doesn’t mind not having cup games in the Autumn to give him for time to work with the players on his system

4: The first choice players were tired.

5: He cocked it up.

I would imagine its a all of the above.

The frustrating thing is we have a 4/5/6 players who have had repeated opportunities yet not taken them, and with about 2 days left in the window there's no way they're all leaving...so will be taking up squad places and collecting wages despite being, and to put it bluntly, not fucking good enough.

 

[Dzejkob]

Players that dissapointed me so many times in the past dissapointed me again. So I'm not really dissapointed, it could be easily predicted. Ange is not a magician.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Agree with everything here other than the first line.

I think I speak for most when I say that we're not freaking out because of the performance in the game.
The issue is that we have put out our B squad in the cup for the umpteenth time in the last 10 years. The only cup we have prioritised in the last decade is the Champions League, and we have borderline given up on competing for any other cup in favour of trying to get into the Champions League. It's been posted already but I'm going to post it again.

Basel
Gent
Colchester
Norwich
Leipzig
Zagreb
Sheffield
Middlesbrough
Everton
Palace
Forest
Fulham

The supporters travel far and wide to watch these games.

Blind faith and hope.

I’m no longer a gambling man but there’s a sequence of losses in those games.
Surely someone is asking questions again about us putting out deliberately weakened sides for these games ?

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Sorry Ange but it’s a bullshit argument. Unless his preferred starting 11 get struck down with something he is never ever going to pick that starting 11 in a PL game, or a big cup game. So watching them all playing together doesn’t really tell him how any of them individually would perform if he rotated them into his preferred starting 11. It would have been more enlightening if he’d made say 5 changes where he could see clearly how the new 5 performed along side his regulars. How someone plays in the B team doesn’t really tell you how they’d play in the A team because they are not surrounded by the same quality of players.

I'm not sure why this post is getting neg ratings. I think it's a fair point. I guess it's just the poster people are going after?

It's a similar problem for the England team when they make so many changes that it's difficult to judge any one player - everyone is trying to impress and it's a different game playing off e.g. Calvert-Lewin compared to Kane.

 

[BTN1]

Lads we’ve got our Tottenham back …

 

[jimmy-jojo]

It’s not just the fact he played a completely weakened XI, some of these players are probably leaving in a few days. Doesn't make any sense.

Less chance of that now that they’re potentially cup-tied for anyone wanting to buy them.

 

[Nebby]

Possible explanations for last night’s team selection, not all mutually exclusive.

1: Ange genuinely wanted to see who could make it in his system and who needs to go (Bye bye Lo Celso and Hojbjerg, might we you a

2: He wanted to demonstrate to DL that new signings are needed (Hello Ansu Fati and Brennan Johnson)

3: He doesn’t mind not having cup games in the Autumn to give him for time to work with the players on his system

4: The first choice players were tired.

5: He cocked it up.

He disrespected the fans, underestimated the opposition and undervalued the competition.

He already knows what the players are capable of.

Really disappointed. I thought this guy was going to be different, but it’s the same old same old.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Lads we’ve got our Tottenham back …

it never gone

 

[HildoSpur]

He disrespected the fans, underestimated the opposition and undervalued the competition.

He already knows what the players are capable of.

Really disappointed. I thought this guy was going to be different, but it’s the same old same old.

Lol jesus Christ

 

[jonnyp]

He disrespected the fans, underestimated the opposition and undervalued the competition.

He already knows what the players are capable of.

Really disappointed. I thought this guy was going to be different, but it’s the same old same old.

Yes, he made several mistakes in this match but let's not judge the rest of tenure here on this match alone.

 

[Freddie]

Signing Ndombele has shielded Lo Celso from so much criticism. He does absolutely nothing in a Spurs shirt. In fact if we get rid of Hojbjerg I suspect a lot more focus will be put on him. It's not even to do with systems. He runs into blind alleys and can't complete the simplest of passes. A million miles from the player he is elsewhere.

 

[simsy886]

The only competition we have actually managed to win in the last 30 years and we treat it with such contempt.

Not sure it's even Ange's fault, we've tried this crap since Arsenal and Utd started playing their academy players in the League Cup since the mid 2000's (iirc). At least they were winning other things, what do we have to show for it?

Edit: to caveat that, we just played our B Team, not even the youngsters!

 

[HedgieSpur]

Got home, saw the line up and knew we were out.
Another cup competition, another exit!!!
Why? Because when it comes to cup competitions every manager we’ve had for the last 19-15 years has shit for brains and Postecoglou is no different than Conte or Poch or whoever.

Everyone, including Postecoglou, agrees it’s about time we won a trophy. Given that on what planet does it seem a good idea to rip a successful lineup to shreds by making NINE changes when you’ve been drawn away at one of better PL teams in this early round!!!!

Only 4 of that starting 11 have started a game this season and 2 of those only for 1 game. Of the rest Sanchez played approximately 80 minutes in the 1st game. The others had 15 - 20 minutes here and there. What on earth made Postecoglou think they would gel especially when he’d taken out what has been our strongest element ,our engine room, the midfield trio of press resistant Bissouma, creative force Maddison and non stop running Sarr. Sheer stupidity

I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face, your most important game is your next game, regardless of what competition it is in. So you play your best team in order to have the best chance of winning it. You don’t give squad players a “run out” in the cup games. You rotate your squad by making 2 or 3 changes every game so everybody in the squad gets both game time and rest and everybody is comfortable playing along side different players in the squad. What you don’t do is play the same 11 game after game in the league and then throw the bench players on for a cup game and expect them to be up for it.

I was thought I was as pissed as I could possibly be after the Sheffield Utd fiasco but this has me fuming a hundred times more. If I was the Tottenham owner I would be tearing a strip off Postecoglou in the morning and warning him if he ever pulled that trick again he’d be out the door the next day. It’s totally unacceptable for a Tottenham manger to treat cup competitions in such a cavalier manner.

As for the game and the players? VDV is the only one who can hold his head up so it’s doubly unfair that he scored a O.g. for Fulham. Of the rest Nobody enhanced their chances although hopefully Richarlison’s goal will help his confidence. Sanchez and Emerson’s passing was dreadful. Why was Sanchez taking a penalty?Didnt anyone else fancy it??!! I felt sorry for him - was the cherry on top of a bad night for him. Hojbjerg shooting was embarrassing and he was insignificant in Bissouma’s role. Lo Celso had no impact creatively but not sure why he was the scapegoat at HT - not sure also what the reasoning for bringing on Scarlett for him was because he made no impact on the game. Forster was very uncomfortable playing out from the back especially with a press on. Perisic was disappointing except for the cross for the goal. Solomon isn’t as effective on the right and as Kulu wasn’t much better when he came on it highlights the need for an effective right winger.
Davies was Davies and Skipp ran around a lot to not much effect. The substitutions didn’t do that much but they came too late. There should have been wholesale changes at HT.

To make a bad night worse we were playing in our 1st strip that had been soaked in diarrhea.

The only highlight of the night was the away support who as always were superb. It sounded like we were at home. As an old time away season ticket holder I know how good our away support is and I was proud of them tonight, as I always am. They were badly let down by both Postecoglou and the team.

The owner isnt going to tear a strip of Ange, given the owner is (in my opinion) likely to be the person rendering the cups as unimportant

 

[Misfit]

Last night was a phuq up no doubt, and it's dissapointing go out early yet again.

I feel no anger towards Ange about it though.

He either underestimated, and is still learning himself lets not forget, the difference between Scottish football and English football and made an oopsie - he'll have at least learned some valuable lessons wrt individual squad players last night - or as is becoming a bit of a habit with managers and players alike, the club simply has a very relaxed approach to cups, not taking them seriously unless we somehow find ourselves in the latter stages.

Either way, Ange is still fully in credit.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Wow.

We knew there’d be bumps along the road. I thought we’d all accepted it, and we all knew he’d have to take risks.

l’m loving Ange's style of football, long may it continue. See you all lapping it up at the weekend.

We'll all there lapping it up on the weekend as it will actually be Ange's style on display with a team who look like they actually know each other rather than just met 5 minutes ago

last night it wasn't and that is why people are pissed off.

 

[Khilari]

We lost to Fulham away, on penalties. The same team who fought to draw away at The Scum with 10 men just last weekend

I don’t quite see the disaster here - it was disappointing but surely not massively unexpected with a new manager, trying to work out which players are good for building on and which are not good enough as starters in the longer term.

Let’s not fulfil the “Spurs fans are entitled” stereotype and accept that we do not have a balanced or settled squad, with a few days of the transfer market still left, some players do not know if they will stay or go and a manager slowly imprinting his ideas on a team who have played drastically different football for the last 4 years.

I love the rapid change in our style of play, Postecoglu has already managed to instil because we are great to watch. It will take him a few months and at least two transfer windows to start proving his worth, no?