Match Threads Spurs vs Arsenal

[easley91]

This has come from someone on Reddit that apparently Robbie Earle said Oliver was told to look at the screen. I have seen it repeated all day and no clip has been posted anywhere. I struggle to believe it.

 

[MDCT]

White trying to undo Vic’s glove at the corner-
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I wonder if anything would have been said if he tied Vic's laces together?

 

[Graham Minshall]

sauce?

Parsley?

 

[Graham Minshall]

This has come from someone on Reddit that apparently Robbie Earle said Oliver was told to look at the screen. I have seen it repeated all day and no clip has been posted anywhere. I struggle to believe it.

If, IF, this is true this is something the refs association would try to keep quiet, it’s like when Mike Dean earlier in the season came out and said the VAR officials look after their mates.

A few season ago when we lost at Arsenal 2-1 the winner was a penalty when, I can’t remember if it was ambamayang or Lacacette who was supposed to have been fouled by Sanchez, but, when watched back it was the arsenal player who made contact with Sanchez.

the ref was Oliver, and was reported to have said to VAR that he didn’t need it to be reviewed, because he had seen what had happened, so if it’s true he refused to go to the screen he has form for it!

 

[Mr Pink]

If, IF, this is true this is something the refs association would try to keep quiet, it’s like when Mike Dean earlier in the season came out and said the VAR officials look after their mates.

A few season ago when we lost at Arsenal 2-1 the winner was a penalty when, I can’t remember if it was ambamayang or Lacacette who was supposed to have been fouled by Sanchez, but, when watched back it was the arsenal player who made contact with Sanchez.

the ref was Oliver, and was reported to have said to VAR that he didn’t need it to be reviewed, because he had seen what had happened, so if it’s true he refused to go to the screen he has form for it!

And yet he misses Rice on Davies for the clear penalty no more tha 5 yards from it

 

[Graham Minshall]

And yet he misses Rice on Davies for the clear penalty no more tha 5 yards from it

He’s such an arrogant twat, he seems to think that everything is about him and he can’t be wrong!

 

[rossdapep]

Thought this was really interesting and certainly bodes well for the future.

Also sums up how I was feeling with that first half.

Honestly, had Arsenal not got lucky with those calls we would have certainly been going in at HT feeling like we would do them in the second half.




The worrying thing is life that luck falls back on our side, we'll probably beat City

 

[DenverSpur]

The football analysts along with the journalists make up a narrative depending on the result and also depending on the related story of one or more of the teams, but not in what actually happened over the 90 minutes. So Arsenal going for the title 3-0 up at half time obviously must have been the better team and in the second half they let Tottenham back into it. That 2 of their goals were from set pieces and that they created very little from open play is not mentioned. Neither is Us having a very close offside goal denied, hitting the post and a decent penalty claim turned down( which led to their 2nd goal) mentioned because it doesn’t fit the narrative that title chasing Arsenal deservedly triumphed.

Regarding the post above I wrote yesterday The Daily Mail’s Players Ratings had this:

PEDRO PORRO: 6

Battled away in the face of multiple Arsenal waves of attack, particularly in the first half.
Did I watch a different game? What “waves of attack”?

also
BUKAYO SAKA: 8

Well-executed corner resulted in opening goal. And then got his own goal after turning Davies inside out.

and
KAI HAVERTZ: 8.5

Great assist for Saka’s goal and then nabbed a header off a corner. Top display.
Look I know I’m biased but really 8 and 8.5 because they can take a corner and pass the ball along with scoring the goals! I can’t remember anything else they did of note. Like I say maybe I’m just biased and intentionally missed their great performances.
To be honest I hate when they award MOM to the goal scorer even when he had an anonymous overall performance. It’s such an American thing.

 

[DenverSpur]

Thought this was really interesting and certainly bodes well for the future.

Also sums up how I was feeling with that first half.

Honestly, had Arsenal not got lucky with those calls we would have certainly been going in at HT feeling like we would do them in the second half.




The worrying thing is life that luck falls back on our side, we'll probably beat City

I don’t see any key statistical observations?

 

[DannyNZ]

Maddison trying his best not to go to the Euros

Think he’s achieved it, he’s not going to be selected with the displays he’s putting in.

 

[DannyNZ]

Maybe. I haven’t had any pundits telling me what happened yet In micro detail. I watched it in the stadium and haven’t watched any TV highlights. I was watching what was going on pitch wide not what tv cameras were highlighting on and wasn’t highlighting every weakness in slow motion. I’ll have a look probably but I can only comment at the moment on what I saw in the stadium with all the emotion of a live spectacle. Holjbjerg was doing the work of two men while Bentancur and Maddison fannied about - two of my favourite players usually by the way. He picked himself up after the horror of the own goal and he worked his socks off. He doesn’t have the silky football skills of Lolo and Madders but he didn‘t shirk anything. Why people want scapegoats I have no idea, never have, but he doesn’t deserve it when there are plenty in front of him.

Yep he wasn’t bad at all, the own goal was unfortunate but he put in a good effort. If hadn’t seen the first 10 games of the season I’d be seriously questioning what Maddison contributes.

 

[DannyNZ]

No I picked up on that….. how you can do that is beyond me, you aren’t challenging for a ball… you are physically pushing two handed last ditch to push a player going for a shot… it’s just not acceptable. I do not understand the rules on the box any more quite frankly

Looks like you’re not alone, Oliver struggled with them all day.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Ben White’s dark arts and targeting Vicario: Inside Arsenal’s set-piece mastery

Ben White did not score either goal, and the records will show that he did not register an assist either. But for both of Arsenal’s set-piece goals in the first half of Sunday’s north London derby, the right-back played a crucial role.

uk.sports.yahoo.com

hope this works, may show why they scored so ‘easily’

Yes and where the fuck was the ref/VAR ?

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Well, these stats I found on an arsenal website really don't support the MotD2 narrative aboiut arsenal dominating for 60 minutes!!!

 

[Mr Pink]

Well, these stats I found on an arsenal website really don't support the MotD2 narrative aboiut arsenal dominating for 60 minutes!!!


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Did they not have a switch of play for the Saka goal?

Says there they had zero switches of play lol

 

[muppetman]

Parsley?

Flashbacks to my childhood!

 

[TOLBINY]

It was either VDV or Deki who spoke post match about being 'more mature' as a team and individuals. I wonder if that was the message to them from Ange afterwards?

If Deki throws himself to the floor it's a pen, if VDV throws himself to the floor when Havertz pushed him it's a free kick. The one thing Davies did well was stay down once Rice clobered him, everyone then knows soemthing may have happended so there is more emphasis on the var check.

Like Jose said "intelligent c**ts"

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I went to an event at Wembley a couple of weeks ago, with Howard Webb and Anthony Taylor - it was a corporate breakfast thing for the charity the Twinning Probject (https://www.twinningproject.org/ - brilliant charity BTW!!

The basic theme was that a referees job is very difficult and they can have a bad day and make mistakes just like everyone else.

Fair enough, cannot argue with that.

However, if this is just a bad day and these are honest mistakes, then one would expect those mistakes to fall roughly evenly between both sides. If 80/90% of these honest mistakes favour one side and penalise another then, it is entirely reasonable to be suspicious.

I dont think Oliver was bribed, or got a deposit into a Cayman account, but did he ref that game without bias or favour??

Every major decision went against us…..every one!

• Fouling VIc - nothing given
• VDV goal - FFS, you have to be kidding me
• Romero fouled when his header hit the post
• Deki penalty
• Time wasting is allowed when the goons do it
• 7 subs, one VAR decision and 30 secs taken for each goal kick - 6 mins stoppage time
• Davies gets kicked in the nuts 3 feet from Oliver - nah! That’s not a penalty!!

These decision, in a 5 min period completely flipped the game on its head.

If half of those decisions went for us and half for the goons, then OK. He’s just had a stinker - but all of them??

It was genuinely suspicious tbh, for 'such a good ref' to get so much wrong for 1 side was werid if I'm honest. I don't usually call out refs but he did seem biased and it was bloody annoying and cost us at least a point.

 

[Dov67]

It was genuinely suspicious tbh, for 'such a good ref' to get so much wrong for 1 side was werid if I'm honest. I don't usually call out refs but he did seem biased and it was bloody annoying and cost us at least a point.

agreed - and this is the thing - there is no price to be paid. He went home, will get paid, and faces no consequences or even questioning - he doesn't even have to face an interview and explain himself.

A ref having a bad day makes decisions that both sides can complain about - on Sunday, one side got everything they wanted, and the other side got totally f****d.

If we'd lost fair and square, then fine by the ref in real time. Us bitching about it on a message board won't get the game replayed.

3 stonewall penalties - none given. Two of them completely ignored by VAR. The consequences for one of them flipped the score from 1-1 (if Sonny had scored) to 0-2, a kick in the balls waved on, 6 mins of stoppage time in spite of VAR holdups, 7 substitutions and a whole half of time wasting. And then there's the VDV goal disallowed!

Yes, of course I am aware that as Spurs fan I am looking at it through a THFC lens, but something stinks here