This past week just encapsulates what we are/are not as a club/business. Shortcuts the modus operandi in order to try and pass ourselves as a bona fide Football club when there are richer, otherwise untapped pickings that must be pursued. Treading water football-wise is fine/the plan.
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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At the same time Dier and Davies got us top 4 last season and I also think Dier was playing midfield in the early seasons there.
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If it wasn’t for the sheer brilliance of Kane, we’d be dead and buried in all competitions already.
It’s not just formation, it’s player roles and mentality. We are coached to not dominate possession, not to love the ball and with that goes creative passing and the type of play that breeds confidence in our attacking players. They look starved and shot of ideas.
We’ve wasted several years of some of the best attacking talent in the world with outdated, suffocating tactics under the last 3 managers. Personally, I’m sick of it.
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The most common denominator is the lack of a Romero, Vertonghen or Alderweireld in either of them games. That's why we need 2 more 1st team standard centre backs (if we stick to a back 3). That way even if you rest 1 you still have another 1 or 2 to stabilise the defence. Dier and Davies can be good around those top players so it's OK to have them in the squad. Just not as first team regulars when they should be replacing Sanchez and Tanganga on the bench.
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The players are to blame.
However Conte has constructed this squad of musclemen with no creativity.
He sends Gil on loan to bench a loan player.
There is nothing to smile about, God help us if Kane leaves
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Painful rebuild 4 years later
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This is so true. We have wasted the best years on Kane and Son by playing counter attacking football
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I'm not confident we will do any of that but if we did I'd add a line under that says "communicate this to the fans". I'm convinced that so much of the doom and gloom is that if there is any semblance of a plan at Spurs then it doesn't filter down to us!
If we do look to set something like this then it will need patience from the fans, which makes me wonder if Poch might be the one for it.
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Some of these players are majorly an issue, ive stated this in defence of Conte over and over.
Ive also stated Conte is the one getting it right vs WH, Chelsea, City and its not cause he's absent.
However, we are starting far too many games with a lack of energy.
That is down to some players having a loser attitude, the amount of times some of them tapped the ball half heartedly to another or just left the ball for another to retrieve/do something with.
But some of that is also down to how they are being coached. They are not on the front foot and looking to kill the game quickly.
There's also a real lack of players/coaches driving them on to be better at that too. Sometimes a little rant or fix up acts as change of mentality but there doesn't seem to be that.
Klopp would have been going spare with his team had they started with low energy
Ive also stated Conte is the one getting it right vs WH, Chelsea, City and its not cause he's absent.
However, we are starting far too many games with a lack of energy.
That is down to some players having a loser attitude, the amount of times some of them tapped the ball half heartedly to another or just left the ball for another to retrieve/do something with.
But some of that is also down to how they are being coached. They are not on the front foot and looking to kill the game quickly.
There's also a real lack of players/coaches driving them on to be better at that too. Sometimes a little rant or fix up acts as change of mentality but there doesn't seem to be that.
Klopp would have been going spare with his team had they started with low energy
The 11 we put out there tonight should be more than capable of beating Sheffield Uniteds first team, let alone the team they put out tonight, which had made 8 changes from their last game.
Sander Berge apart (who didn’t start for them) they really don’t have many, if any players at a level in their squad that really should worry any top half team in the Premier League.
What they had thought was better game plan , more desire and more energy. One team seemed to know what everyone was doing, the other team seemed like strangers. Have praised Stellini over last few games, as he seemed to get a lot more out of players than Conte has all season, so tonight, he takes the flak in my view.
Conte needs to go, in fact needed to go months ago, I thought maybe Stellini until end of season might work, not sure now
Sander Berge apart (who didn’t start for them) they really don’t have many, if any players at a level in their squad that really should worry any top half team in the Premier League.
What they had thought was better game plan , more desire and more energy. One team seemed to know what everyone was doing, the other team seemed like strangers. Have praised Stellini over last few games, as he seemed to get a lot more out of players than Conte has all season, so tonight, he takes the flak in my view.
Conte needs to go, in fact needed to go months ago, I thought maybe Stellini until end of season might work, not sure now
So we should be cheering Conte on for beating a relegation candidate in West Ham and a Chelsea in complete disarray?!
It’s his shite formation that’s getting played whoever is in the dugout.
We seemed to press better against West Ham and Chelsea, but if those teams were at it, do you really believe we’d have won?!
Even when we’ve won this season, it’s been far from convincing performances.
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Yeah. I would hope so too. It at least gets fans seeing the vision and understanding what they are trying to do. Itll go a long way with some.
Sad to say but Arsenal pretty much did this.
Basically they told them this is their guy, its a process and they believe in him and any time fans got in their back they stated Arteta has their full support and he'll get through it.
We get a lot of radio silence. Even when Poch had a rough patch, Levy and co never came out to state Poch is here for the long haul and the club are going to do x and x.
We just get spiel about "wanting to win" "finances are great" blah blah
Arsenal's fans were split. Some wanted Arteta out immediately. But there was also a ton of support and saying "Trust the process".
There has to be a plan.
We cant keep going on like this.
Everything is just stale and we are only every 2 or 3 results from a depressing performance.
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You've summed my feelings up perfectly
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Is the bit about Poch meant to be impressive? Ten Haag already has a trophy win and I wouldn’t be surprised if Utd won the FA Cup and the Europa league. Utd finally sort themselves out and immediately start picking up trophies because they are a winning football club. We ain’t winning anything until we’re too rich to fail, until then we’ll keep failing with varying types of managers.
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We're not sacking him off the back of this don't be silly
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I didn't think I'd ever say this given I probably gave his football more stick than any Spurs fan going, but in some aspects Conte is doing even worse than Mourinho managed.
Dear old Jose's era was a badly coached limited team/tactics that pretty much relied solely on basic counter attacks. But despite that you'd sometimes get glimmers of a possession attacking game and the ability to break teams down. There was at least some idea of what to do, you'd get some combo's and interchanges of play, and players had individual freedom and played with some verve around the box to do the damage.
ConteBall, for the most part, has much better fundamentals and foundations than JoseBall ever had and that's reflected in the relative consistency of results, league position, and stats. Better workrate, better structure in just about everything - defensive set up, transition, structured attacking into space. But when it comes to having to have sustained possession and pressure and tasked with breaking teams down it's some of the worst I have ever seen. Clueless shuffled one off passes to nowhere, cross spam, long balls, and hope we score from set pieces.
If it's open and stretched, space between the lines, and space is there to attack then happy days we're a match for anyone. But that can't always be the case and in other situations we're extremely limited. With such deficiencies in this aspect, and if they remain, I can't see how the team can ultimately be successful.
Dear old Jose's era was a badly coached limited team/tactics that pretty much relied solely on basic counter attacks. But despite that you'd sometimes get glimmers of a possession attacking game and the ability to break teams down. There was at least some idea of what to do, you'd get some combo's and interchanges of play, and players had individual freedom and played with some verve around the box to do the damage.
ConteBall, for the most part, has much better fundamentals and foundations than JoseBall ever had and that's reflected in the relative consistency of results, league position, and stats. Better workrate, better structure in just about everything - defensive set up, transition, structured attacking into space. But when it comes to having to have sustained possession and pressure and tasked with breaking teams down it's some of the worst I have ever seen. Clueless shuffled one off passes to nowhere, cross spam, long balls, and hope we score from set pieces.
If it's open and stretched, space between the lines, and space is there to attack then happy days we're a match for anyone. But that can't always be the case and in other situations we're extremely limited. With such deficiencies in this aspect, and if they remain, I can't see how the team can ultimately be successful.
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He also had a CL and LC final, one big factor is their starting positions we’re massively differing
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Yeah we lost both of them too. Not slating Poch, if Utd had given him the job back in the day he’d have won loads of things there. They’re a club that win things.
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