Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[TC18]

We really have to start being realistic here. As much as I love Conte he isn’t going to stay here long term and fix this and bring us silverware. He is a manager for the here and now, our owners won’t fully commit to this idea of thinking.

it’ll be a constant battle between Contes ideal signing and who “the club” want to sign. They will sometimes meet in the middle and sometimes each party will get what they want, but that won’t bring us long term success. It will bring us a squad that won’t reflect exactly what the manager wants.

As much as I don’t want to say it, we need a ‘Project’ manager. Someone who will play attractive football that the fans will like, someone who won’t demand a lot and is happy to work with bargain players and prospects... ‘Club signings’.

 

[Montalbano]

He’s steadily losing his bargaining chips here. I think if we exit the Champions League next week, that could be it for him.

He massively let the club down tonight and unless he changes his tune and makes it clear he wants to commit his future here, I expect the club to explore strategic alternatives

 

[rossdapep]

We really have to start being realistic here. As much as I love Conte he isn’t going to stay here long term and fix this and bring us silverware. He is a manager for the here and now, our owners won’t fully commit to this idea of thinking.

it’ll be a constant battle between Contes ideal signing and who “the club” want to sign. They will sometimes meet in the middle and sometimes each party will get what they want, but that won’t bring us long term success. It will bring us a squad that won’t reflect exactly what the manager wants.

As much as I don’t want to say it, we need a ‘Project’ manager. Someone who will play attractive football that the fans will like, someone who won’t demand a lot and is happy to work with bargain players and prospects... ‘Club signings’.

I have been an ardent defender of Conte and the criticism he has faced. I think there are a lot of things that are against him, mostly a lot of the parts of this squad.

He really is a particular coach, not very dimensional but if he has the tools and parts, he can make his teams very tough to beat and very deadly.

The issue is he is trying to get to that level slowly and we don't have the parts. We also have a chairman/owner who won't take the hand brakes off or show bravery.

So it's a dead cause.

The other issue is Ten Hag is a very dimensional coach, so when Conte goes up against coaches like that with sub-par options, all that needs to happen is for Ten Hag to make some tweaks to his strategy and Conte's can be overcome.

Basically, Conte needs a lot of things to come together for it to reach it's peak.

Coaches like Ten Hag can 'make-do' because they can move some players around and ask them to do different things.

Which is why our next appointment has to be someone who is quite dimensional.

And that's Gallardo!

 

[BorjeSpurs]

The away record in cup competitions for Conte is not nice viewing:

Mura - loss
Boro - loss
Chelsea - loss
Forest - loss
Sheffield United - loss
Sporting - loss
Frankfurt - 0-0 draw
Milan loss

The one notable away win came in Marseille where the only reason we won the game is that they overcommitted in the last minute and Hojbjerg had a free run at goal from the halfway line.

 

[idontgetit]

Probably, however its a prime example of a bias being in play.

You could talk about dier winninng 6 out of 8 v city in 8 years.

We could field a team of dinner ladies from the local primary school and still turn City over.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

It’s going to turn toxic for him at games, stubborn arrogant manager.

 

[chas vs dave]

We could field a team of dinner ladies from the local primary school and still turn City over.

And it's wierd. I reckon pep hasn't learned that all you need to do is just rough them up and get about them. They crumble quickly.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I wonder how long he’ll be away for. We’re entering the third week of his absence now. Is there much point in keeping him on if he’s essentially on long term sick leave with about three months left on his contract?

 

[cjbyid]

I wonder how long he’ll be away for. We’re entering the third week of his absence now. Is there much point in keeping him on if he’s essentially on long term sick leave with about three months left on his contract?

He's back this weekend I think.

But yeah if he's not back it does beg the question!

 

[chrisd2k]

He and more than half the team need to go. Start again. Again.

 

[spurs9]

Let's not act like we didn't lose to teams like Colchester under Poch. We didn't have a great squad then and we still don't have one. This is why we don't win trophies because we never have the squad for it. Under this regime we always leave the squad short and do the bare minimum. It's still Levy out first and foremost. I really don't care who the manager is until we sort this squad out. How on earth we have players who have never been top players in their prime still with the club beyond their prime is criminal.

That was a month before Poch got sacked and a week before the 7-2 loss to Bayern, when we were in rapid decline.

 

[Mark_147]

Annoyingly, the fact that we're top 4 means this will dwindle on to the end of the season.

Yep it's annoying we are top 4. Just imagine how Chelsea fans are feeling.

 

[spurs9]

The most common denominator is the lack of a Romero, Vertonghen or Alderweireld in either of them games. That's why we need 2 more 1st team standard centre backs (if we stick to a back 3). That way even if you rest 1 you still have another 1 or 2 to stabilise the defence. Dier and Davies can be good around those top players so it's OK to have them in the squad. Just not as first team regulars when they should be replacing Sanchez and Tanganga on the bench.

Other than yesterday's game, every other FA Cup game we lost that is in that tweet had either Romero, Vertonghen or Alderweireld starting.

It's a nonsense tweet aimed to scapegoat those 3 players.

 

[spurs9]

I don't think you will want to see this lot play any style of football...

We don't have the technical players needed to play any kind of possession-based attacking football. And with Kane and Son, we don't have the legs up front to play an aggressive pressing style.

Kane, Son, Richarlison, Bissouma, Davies and Lenglet have all successfully played in a possession based attacking system and I see no reason why Kulusevski, Danjuma, Bentancur, Sarr, Skipp, Porro, Udogie, Emerson and Romero wouldn't be able to.

Even with our current injuries, I would feel more confident going with an attacking system with the below starting 11, than our current line ups.

Richarlison
Son Kane Kulusevski
Sarr Skipp
Davies Lenglet Romero Emerson
Forster​

 

[allatsea]

Usual knee jerk reactions, when Spurs sitting 4th in the PL with a squad so many don't rate, lose. Whose fault is it we are 4th in the PL ?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

As much as I don’t want to say it, we need a ‘Project’ manager. Someone who will play attractive football that the fans will like, someone who won’t demand a lot and is happy to work with bargain players and prospects... ‘Club signings’.

That's all well and good but there are a lot of people on here who'd have to adjust their expectations

And that will not happen. It just won't.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Usual knee jerk reactions, when Spurs sitting 4th in the PL with a squad so many don't rate, lose. Whose fault is it we are 4th in the PL ?

Been one of the worst quality premier league seasons of all time, look at the teams behind us

 

[allatsea]

Been one of the worst quality premier league seasons of all time, look at the teams behind us

Its the fault of the other teams then ?

 

[yellowbean]

New board
New DOF
New coach
New strategy

We are desperate for fresh energy.

If we approach this list of priorities like we do transfer windows we will:

-Irritate potential buyers in negotiations until they go elsewhere
-buy a left winger
-be linked to a new man every day
-settle on a coach who plays 4 at the back which leads to us loaning out wingbacks until 2025

 

[Mark_147]

Valid points, but the shite 3-4-3 formation he’s been instilling is 100% on him.

Passive out dated football.

Yep the same outdated 3 at the back Chelsea fans were complaining about under Tuchel saying it's stifling their attack. Well now they got a new manager playing 4 at the back and can't buy a goal and look worse than before. I wonder whether it's the formation or the players.