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[Keith Morris]

when you lose the amount of semi finals and finals that we have done across the last 20/30 years it can no longer be put down to luck or close margins. It's systemic.

I’m not saying that the culture or mentality or infrastructure in the club is right because clearly it’s not, but in terms of players and coaches I would say we have had the quality via the investment to equal Leicesters achievements

 

[shelfboy68]

Will never understand why we have a Green away kit .

Yellow would be more appropriate.
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[EastLondonYid]

Exactly... I don't think it's fair to say fans are lacking ambition when it's more that the options out there just aren't very glamourous. I think that's partially because we're not really in an era of "super managers" other than Guardiola and, at a real push, Conte who's been successful at three clubs now. La Liga is about to be won by a long-term manager who was a nobody when appointed, the Bundesliga by someone in their first job where the runner-up will also be extremely young with no playing experience, the French league by a bloke nobody had even heard of last year they picked up from Saint Etienne. Over here United's revival has been run by a guy who got relegated in the PL and then went to the Norwegian League of all places, and Leicester's success by someone who was in the Potter mould, then got sacked at Liverpool and went on to the Scottish League. And our most successful managers of the modern era have come from Southampton, Portsmouth and RKC Waalwijk, while the big names like Jose and Juande have failed miserably.

I understand what you are saying and I don't have a magic wand to determine who would be a success with us, and even though I acknowledge Potter gets something out of his team, I don't believe that's enough seeing as his team sits 4th bottom, however organised they are.
And can we stop all the pony ,not you btw, that if he had a striker he would be here or there, that is a theory,a suggestion, the facts are his team is 4th bottom.FACT!

You could argue that he has done well being 4th bottom with Brighton, then well done,but that's not really enough IMO, to warrant him the Spurs job.again I repeat imo.
If we employed him , I would, like all our new coaches, get behind him and give him a chance, but it's not the right appointment today imo, he hasn't done nowhere near enough to warrant the job.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

A bit of heat on Levy isn’t a bad thing imo. He’s generally been a force for good at Spurs, but he’s got some major calls wrong in the past couple of years which has led him (and us) to this reduced state.

Like a lot of others here, I’m no great fan of ENIC, but it’s difficult for me to imagine us being in a better position should they decide to sell. We’ll either end up the play thing of human rights abusers or added to some American billionaire’s sports portfolio. At least Levy cares about the club.

Best case scenario is he learns from the mistakes that have been made and gets someone in to help him manage the football side of the business who isn’t Steve Hitchin.

This is exactly where I am with Levy/ENIC. I think all you can ask if any owner is that they are more or less a positive influence on the club, none get every decision right.
FWIW I think Levy's weakness is he's not strategic enough on the football side because he's too much of a fan. When he moved from us buying experienced players to investing in youth and liking the DOF model he had us on the right path. Then he had an emergency and had to get Redknapp, who benefitted from the youth policy but wanted to buy older players because that's what he did. His biggest failure was not insisting on a DOF with Poch. Poch would have benefitted but the 2 of them went chasing the DeJong's and DeLigt's instead of the Alli's of this world and it's been unravelling ever since.
I'm hoping since the absolute cluster fuck that was Mourinho that he's been stung into stopping chasing the big boys and is looking more at a model that suits Spurs.

 

[dontcallme]

Good question, like A&C posted the choice is not great atm , but I wouldn't employ a coach on the basis he might have won more games had he had better players and subsequently sits 4th bottom of the league.

The Lille coach intrigues me tbh.

I think picking a manager who is right for your club is difficult.

When Rodgers was at Swansea he got them playing a good style of football that higher quality would take to. He took Swansea to the Prem then they finished 11th. A good achievement but other managers have achieved similar.

It was the playing style that made him a realistic target for a bigger club.

So with Potter I get it. He has got Brighton playing very good football and he’s clearly an intelligent, positive guy. I would be fully on board if his results were a bit better but I believe he is well suited for a bigger club.

I am a bit skeptical about hiring coaches with no Prem experience. After Jose I am not sure that a big name should be a big factor.

 

[muppetman]

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Cheers, interesting read.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Watching the Leicester owner celebrating makes you think about Joe Lewis in charge of our lot!!!

Bloody sad state of affairs

Tottenham have got exactly what they deserve in regard to silverware and the amount of emotional attachment our owner has with the club!

Just out of curiosity, do you remember if Joe was at our CL final?

 

[nigespurs]

Just out of curiosity, do you remember if Joe was at our CL final?

Joe Lewis was at the CL final.

 

[Lighty64]

Over the years I've watched posters come up with every excuse imaginable for us not competing for trophies.

1. Money doped clubs- can't compete with them.
2. 6th highest wages correlates with performance on the pitch- but we finished 2nd & 3rd on a few occasions.
3. The players are the problem.
4. Our stadium and when it's done we are set for life as a club.
5. A favourite of mine.....Trophies aren't a measure of success (fuck i scratch my head on this one)
6 Leicester winning the league was a freak performance....no they fucking showed up....helped that they had 40 games to play(PL/CC & FA cup) they've just won the Fa Cup lol.


I could go on and actually...the bottom line though is we set up as a club to make up the numbers and get a CL spot. That's the sum total of who we are under Enic. Until Joe Lewis puts his money into the club like other owners have that's all we ever will be.

After the 2nd year under Poch enic should have backed him...many a poster here begged for this. We could see we had a winner...coupled with a break out player like Kane emerging and the rest of the squad who I won't bore you with....we had the ingredients......To Do was to Dear for our owners.

They could not walk and chew gum at the same time....build the stadium and enhance a fucking brilliant squad at that too.

surprised you never quoted me for your above post, so anyway

1, money doped clubs = you have the money doped, and the massive clubs. The Chelsea's and Man C, along with a few other PL & European clubs inflated the transfer market which makes it a lot harder for clubs to match them in the transfer market. people need to wake up, we ARE NOT A BIG CLUB, not in comparison to a player choosing us over one of them. If we want a player that any of those teams are interested in then 99.9% of the time we are out of the picture

2, 6th highest wage means a player will choose one that pays the most and are a bigger club over us

4, the stadium will eventually close the gap. it's not even been open for 1 whole season yet, and whatever profit we made in what we made from it has disappeared due to the pandemic

6, Leicester was a freak, if it wasn't a freak then over nearly 30 seasons of the PL, I'd have expected more than 8 winners of the League. if you don't think only playing 40 games in a season helped them, then a waste of time discussing anything with you. If a player is fresher then less chance of getting injured, because they never had a deep squad playing fewer games meant being able to play your stronger XI on a more consistent basis.

I totally agree with Lewis & Levy not putting in enough of their own money into the club hasn't helped, but I don't think they have their wealth sitting in a box under the bed, it's tied up in other businesses Lewis owns or is part of another 199 companies.

with your last line, I'd suggest you stop playing FM. while we were building the stadium we had the smallest of stadiums and a training ground that was only as good as lower teams in the league. we lost out on signings because we couldn't match the wages the player wanted, or the fees that BIGGER clubs could offer

 

[Shadydan]

Over the years I've watched posters come up with every excuse imaginable for us not competing for trophies.

1. Money doped clubs- can't compete with them.
2. 6th highest wages correlates with performance on the pitch- but we finished 2nd & 3rd on a few occasions.
3. The players are the problem.
4. Our stadium and when it's done we are set for life as a club.
5. A favourite of mine.....Trophies aren't a measure of success (fuck i scratch my head on this one)
6 Leicester winning the league was a freak performance....no they fucking showed up....helped that they had 40 games to play(PL/CC & FA cup) they've just won the Fa Cup lol.


I could go on and actually...the bottom line though is we set up as a club to make up the numbers and get a CL spot. That's the sum total of who we are under Enic. Until Joe Lewis puts his money into the club like other owners have that's all we ever will be.

After the 2nd year under Poch enic should have backed him...many a poster here begged for this. We could see we had a winner...coupled with a break out player like Kane emerging and the rest of the squad who I won't bore you with....we had the ingredients......To Do was to Dear for our owners.

They could not walk and chew gum at the same time....build the stadium and enhance a fucking brilliant squad at that too.

You can live in such a world and recognise that ENIC are the problem whilst highlighting those factors exist.

 

[MassadaTom]

Exactly... I don't think it's fair to say fans are lacking ambition when it's more that the options out there just aren't very glamourous. I think that's partially because we're not really in an era of "super managers" other than Guardiola and, at a real push, Conte who's been successful at three clubs now. La Liga is about to be won by a long-term manager who was a nobody when appointed, the Bundesliga by someone in their first job where the runner-up will also be extremely young with no playing experience, the French league by a bloke nobody had even heard of last year they picked up from Saint Etienne. Over here United's revival has been run by a guy who got relegated in the PL and then went to the Norwegian League of all places, and Leicester's success by someone who was in the Potter mould, then got sacked at Liverpool and went on to the Scottish League. And our most successful managers of the modern era have come from Southampton, Portsmouth and RKC Waalwijk, while the big names like Jose and Juande have failed miserably.

you are bending facts to fit your thesis
Tuchel and Klopp - multi league super managers
Simeone

Teams managed
2006	Racing Club
2006–2007	Estudiantes
2007–2008	River Plate
2009–2010	San Lorenzo
2011	Catania
2011	Racing Club
2011–	Atlético Madrid

Hansi Flick

Teams managed
1996–2000	Victoria Bammental
2000–2005	1899 Hoffenheim
2006	Red Bull Salzburg (assistant)
2006–2014	Germany (assistant)
2019	Bayern Munich (assistant)
2019–	Bayern Munich

There is also no MU revival - there is shit loads of money to cover cracks

Lille success is related to DOF, footballing structure and manager chosen to fit with this philosophy
same with Leipzig and Dortmund thou Leipzig trains their future managers.

Leicester's success by someone who was in the Potter mould- Leicester appointed very successful manager with experience in top 6 club , CL , EL , across multiple leagues. (nothing like Potter) like they usually do ( they have to risk on talent but choose experienced managers)

 

[Lighty64]

when you lose the amount of semi finals and finals that we have done across the last 20/30 years it can no longer be put down to luck or close margins. It's systemic.

this comment so often makes me laugh, how is it the owners fault we lose those matches, when it's the players that they purchase that got us that far in the 1st place. over a 90 minute match it then depends if the players can do the bizz, they did it to get us that far in the 1st place. it's not as if you can go out and buy players the week before the final to buy players that might make the team play better on the day.

 

[Lighty64]

Yep I have said this many times myself it's not all bad luck or you can't beat a financially doped club see Leicester and Wigan for evidence that is bollocks.

and how often does that happen?

 

[shelfboy68]

and how often does that happen?

Check it out and whilst your at it check out how often spurs don't win it I will see you in a bit.
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[Metalhead]

Cheers, interesting read.

@ripley just read it too. Very interesting.

 

[Stamford]

this comment so often makes me laugh, how is it the owners fault we lose those matches, when it's the players that they purchase that got us that far in the 1st place. over a 90 minute match it then depends if the players can do the bizz, they did it to get us that far in the 1st place. it's not as if you can go out and buy players the week before the final to buy players that might make the team play better on the day.

Buy better players and invest in the footballing side of the club. No one said anything about buying more players a week before the game, if throwing it that ridiculous point makes you feel that your argument is better then ok. I literally said it is systemic. One or two finals or semi finals can be put down to players not showing up on the day - it happened to Chelsea yesterday. We've lost 8 FA Cup semi finals in a row. You genuinely believe that there is something majorly wrong with our planning, structure and mentality for that to happen that many times?

 

[MassadaTom]

We've lost 8 FA Cup semi finals in a row.

We got to 8 FA Cup semi finals. Glass half full and all .

 

[Dougal]

this comment so often makes me laugh, how is it the owners fault we lose those matches, when it's the players that they purchase that got us that far in the 1st place. over a 90 minute match it then depends if the players can do the bizz, they did it to get us that far in the 1st place. it's not as if you can go out and buy players the week before the final to buy players that might make the team play better on the day.

It’s about the whole club giving that extra 10 percent. If Levy isn’t willing to go that extra percentage on the negotiating table then the players he misses out on, being of greater value and arguably better players will be the ones appearing in the final. The cheaper option would fall short. Which is why he should have loosened the purse strings when we were a cohesive unit. That would have brought us to a whole new level. Much harder to get that back now. Club has gone back 5 or 6 years in 2-3 years. Strike while the iron is hot? Make hay while the sun shines? Not our Dan.

 

[Lighty64]

Check it out and whilst your at it check out how often spurs don't win it I will see you in a bit.
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those teams have won the FA Cup once and beaten a stronger team on the day. Wigan beat City just like any team that gets lucky on the day against them on the day. every team will chuck in at least 1 cross during a match and sometimes get lucky with it, and then be able to just be in the right place when it comes to saving or blocking shots. we beat City this season 2-0, last season 2-0, in the CL QF 1-0 all matches being on the back foot and defending brilliantly. in the final we were exactly the same, the only difference that day was we never had that 1 lucky chance or effort, and eventually they took one of their chances.

yesterday Leicester had 1 shot on target, if that sails over the bar and Schmeichel doesn't pull off 3 brilliant saves then this thread has 6 pages less

 

[Shadydan]

Buy better players and invest in the footballing side of the club. No one said anything about buying more players a week before the game, if throwing it that ridiculous point makes you feel that your argument is better then ok. I literally said it is systemic. One or two finals or semi finals can be put down to players not showing up on the day - it happened to Chelsea yesterday. We've lost 8 FA Cup semi finals in a row. You genuinely believe that there is something majorly wrong with our planning, structure and mentality for that to happen that many times?

If you're getting to cup finals and semi finals then that suggests that it isn't recruitment or investment issue or the fact that we don't have good players in this context. How many of those semi's and final's have we been favourites to win? For example the last two I can think of in 2016 and 2017 we reached the semi final two years ago and had beaten those teams (Chelsea/Utd) earlier in the season, it's a mentality issue and in those particular cases a management issue as well.