ENIC...

[Lighty64]

Not even when it highlights systemic failings within the club that people have been talking about for quite some time? Leicester beat us to the title in a crazy year, dropped off, rebuilt and are a level above us again. Based on the economic metrics that some fans are slavishly devoted to, this should not have happened, and our ceiling should also be higher than theirs.

Hopefully Levy is taking a long look at what they've done right to build themselves back up again as a sporting organisation, as that is something we also need to do now.

correct our ceiling should be higher, and with Leicester winning their 1st league title in a season that most of the big 6 were a shambles, City, United, Chelsea, and Liverpool all had crap seasons. Unfortunately, we had a slow start and dropped points at crucial times, that's the luck of the draw. That season Leicester hardly suffered any injuries to their key players, and played a total of 40 games, and had very few players that joined up with their national team. Chelsea had a very similar run the season after with being out of Europe, and very few injuries (though they had plenty of players play internationals), but due to their squad size due to the Abramovic buying they had a stronger squad to be able to compete for other trophies.

this season they have won their 1st ever FA Cup in their 137y history. their route was pretty kind even if they played Man U in the Q/F a united team that had no Rashford, Fernandez, or Luke Shaw. on that day they both had 5 efforts on target but Schmeichel had the better day, it happens. on any given day a team can win a match, but most of the time the most powerful team in finances that can literally have a very strong 18-24 man team will.

when ENIC first took over from Sugar we were shit and couldn't dream of Europe unless winning a cup. in the 90's once the PL & CL started the 2 best clubs Man U and Arsenal never bothered at all with the league cup, hence why you had a good few teams winning it. Chelsea was still a strong team as was Liverpool, but they put all their eggs into getting into the CL. 2-3 years after taking over Abramovic took over meaning there were 3 very strong teams and Liverpool, and we were a million miles off from them all.

with the City take over both them and Chelsea built a stronger squad to be able to go for all 4 trophies in a season, which now makes winning the league cup even harder. with us being in a small stadium we could never compete with any of the clubs above us in the transfer market.

ENIC always had a plan to build a bigger stadium from the start even if it did take 7yrs to get started and another near on 11yrs to complete. of course, as mentioned above at the time when taking over the view to building a new, and a bigger stadium was to close the gap on the top 4 teams. That build was always going to restrict our spending, and to make matters even worse along came the Sheik.

in those 20 seasons, only 6 teams have won the league, and typical that the 1 season the 3 regular winners (Arsenal struggled with the Chelsea takeover, and even more so once City came along buying their better players) didn't perform along came Leicester, and shocked the world.

yes ENIC has made mistakes, but tell me someone that hasn't made mistakes, but since their takeover and with restrictions, we have gone from a BOTTOM HALF TEAM, to at least pushing for a place in Europe, and sometimes a CL place. We now have a stadium that will produce money eventually from not just football, but because of the underneath surface it will allow us to host numerous events, which will allow us to get a hell of a lot closer to buying better players and matching the wages, we just need this pandemic to disappear to help us reach this goal.

I find it so hard to understand fans that started watching us a long time ago and can not work out that the changes in football with the introduction of the PL, and the CL, along with 2 clubs being taken over that can spend stupid every season, means winning a trophy is so much harder. unless we get owners in their league that doesn't give a shit about throwing their dirty money at the problem then I'd rather stick with ENIC

 

[mattdefoe]

“Sold out to the NFL” full on scraping there.

really ? Selling NFL Spurs shirts and having a load of nfl merchandise in the stadium on the website etc . Utter garbage

 

[mattdefoe]

Which traditional ones have we lost out on?

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Will never understand why we have a Green away kit .

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I have no problem with constructive comparison. It’s the meltdowns that I find dull. Just because another club won something.

Slag ENIC off by all means. But slag them off for what they have or haven’t done, not for what another club has done.

I understand your point up to a point but when the 'who would you rather' or 'name me owners who've done a better job' bollocks stops, then I reckon asking for these comparisons to stop might be a fairer shout. To a degree, the ENIC supporters have brought this on themselves so I can understand why it's happening, surely it's to be expected...........

It's all getting circular again now though, I've been trying to give it up but it's one of those nights

 

[dontcallme]

really ? Selling NFL Spurs shirts and having a load of nfl merchandise in the stadium on the website etc . Utter garbage

Having a section for NFL shirts and the website is hardly selling out to the NFL. Utter nonsense.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Loving all the Enic bashing calling them out for showing little ambition, and yet we have a new managers poll with Parker,Potter,Martinez and Benitez leading the voting......?

 

[Saoirse]

non traditional colours on away kits

Selling out to the NFL therefore no naming on the seats in the stadium

Losing the name white hart lane

how corporate everything feels , has a feeling of a privileged sport and spurs seem to be the forefront of these types of things IMO

Yeah it’s all small gripes but I can see why lots of fans feel so detached from the club these days

I sort of agree with all this, but it's just modern football, not ENIC for me. The only two ways for us to even aspire to compete with the money clubs over the long term are to either do this nonsense or have an oil-rich owner. There isn't an owner in the world with a coherent plan to have us in the Top 4 or winning trophies without either throwing dodgy personal wealth at it or corporatising things.

 

[piedpiper]

Over the years I've watched posters come up with every excuse imaginable for us not competing for trophies.

1. Money doped clubs- can't compete with them.
2. 6th highest wages correlates with performance on the pitch- but we finished 2nd & 3rd on a few occasions.
3. The players are the problem.
4. Our stadium and when it's done we are set for life as a club.
5. A favourite of mine.....Trophies aren't a measure of success (fuck i scratch my head on this one)
6 Leicester winning the league was a freak performance....no they fucking showed up....helped that they had 40 games to play(PL/CC & FA cup) they've just won the Fa Cup lol.


I could go on and actually...the bottom line though is we set up as a club to make up the numbers and get a CL spot. That's the sum total of who we are under Enic. Until Joe Lewis puts his money into the club like other owners have that's all we ever will be.

After the 2nd year under Poch enic should have backed him...many a poster here begged for this. We could see we had a winner...coupled with a break out player like Kane emerging and the rest of the squad who I won't bore you with....we had the ingredients......To Do was to Dear for our owners.

They could not walk and chew gum at the same time....build the stadium and enhance a fucking brilliant squad at that too.

 

[Stamford]

Loving all the Enic bashing calling them out for showing little ambition, and yet we have a new managers poll with Parker,Potter,Martinez and Benitez leading the voting......?

the poll question is who will it be? Isn't it? Some of us are resigned to this nonsense

 

[Saoirse]

Loving all the Enic bashing calling them out for showing little ambition, and yet we have a new managers poll with Parker,Potter,Martinez and Benitez leading the voting......?

Who do you want?

 

[EastLondonYid]

the poll question is who will it be? Isn't it? Some of us are resigned to this nonsense

The poll has hundreds of pages with posters clearly advocating why we should employ coaches with a lower win percentage than any manager we have ever had in our premiership history.

 

[shelfboy68]

I understand your point up to a point but when the 'who would you rather' or 'name me owners who've done a better job' bollocks stops, then I reckon asking for these comparisons to stop might be a fairer shout. To a degree, the ENIC supporters have brought this on themselves so I can understand why it's happening, surely it's to be expected...........

It's all getting circular again now though, I've been trying to give it up but it's one of those nights

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[shelfboy68]

correct our ceiling should be higher, and with Leicester winning their 1st league title in a season that most of the big 6 were a shambles, City, United, Chelsea, and Liverpool all had crap seasons. Unfortunately, we had a slow start and dropped points at crucial times, that's the luck of the draw. That season Leicester hardly suffered any injuries to their key players, and played a total of 40 games, and had very few players that joined up with their national team. Chelsea had a very similar run the season after with being out of Europe, and very few injuries (though they had plenty of players play internationals), but due to their squad size due to the Abramovic buying they had a stronger squad to be able to compete for other trophies.

this season they have won their 1st ever FA Cup in their 137y history. their route was pretty kind even if they played Man U in the Q/F a united team that had no Rashford, Fernandez, or Luke Shaw. on that day they both had 5 efforts on target but Schmeichel had the better day, it happens. on any given day a team can win a match, but most of the time the most powerful team in finances that can literally have a very strong 18-24 man team will.

when ENIC first took over from Sugar we were shit and couldn't dream of Europe unless winning a cup. in the 90's once the PL & CL started the 2 best clubs Man U and Arsenal never bothered at all with the league cup, hence why you had a good few teams winning it. Chelsea was still a strong team as was Liverpool, but they put all their eggs into getting into the CL. 2-3 years after taking over Abramovic took over meaning there were 3 very strong teams and Liverpool, and we were a million miles off from them all.

with the City take over both them and Chelsea built a stronger squad to be able to go for all 4 trophies in a season, which now makes winning the league cup even harder. with us being in a small stadium we could never compete with any of the clubs above us in the transfer market.

ENIC always had a plan to build a bigger stadium from the start even if it did take 7yrs to get started and another near on 11yrs to complete. of course, as mentioned above at the time when taking over the view to building a new, and a bigger stadium was to close the gap on the top 4 teams. That build was always going to restrict our spending, and to make matters even worse along came the Sheik.

in those 20 seasons, only 6 teams have won the league, and typical that the 1 season the 3 regular winners (Arsenal struggled with the Chelsea takeover, and even more so once City came along buying their better players) didn't perform along came Leicester, and shocked the world.

yes ENIC has made mistakes, but tell me someone that hasn't made mistakes, but since their takeover and with restrictions, we have gone from a BOTTOM HALF TEAM, to at least pushing for a place in Europe, and sometimes a CL place. We now have a stadium that will produce money eventually from not just football, but because of the underneath surface it will allow us to host numerous events, which will allow us to get a hell of a lot closer to buying better players and matching the wages, we just need this pandemic to disappear to help us reach this goal.

I find it so hard to understand fans that started watching us a long time ago and can not work out that the changes in football with the introduction of the PL, and the CL, along with 2 clubs being taken over that can spend stupid every season, means winning a trophy is so much harder. unless we get owners in their league that doesn't give a shit about throwing their dirty money at the problem then I'd rather stick with ENIC

Well done for posting it early but I thought the chairman's statement was the last home game of the season... Oh well you obviously couldn't wait mate so er thanks.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Who do you want?

Good question, like A&C posted the choice is not great atm , but I wouldn't employ a coach on the basis he might have won more games had he had better players and subsequently sits 4th bottom of the league.

The Lille coach intrigues me tbh.

 

[Romulus]

Loving all the Enic bashing calling them out for showing little ambition, and yet we have a new managers poll with Parker,Potter,Martinez and Benitez leading the voting......?

I would give you more "winners" if I could

 

[Stamford]

The poll has hundreds of pages with posters clearly advocating why we should employ coaches with a lower win percentage than any manager we have ever had in our premiership history.

Yes and I don't want them, sad showing of where we are currently. None of that excuses ENIC.

the recruitment shows what kind of owners ENIC are. It's needed what we really need it's always opprtunism. Not really a a proper plan in place to get these players

 

[Keith Morris]

Between all the shit players, shit managers etc. In the last 20 years there's been one constant, ENIC.

Let’s be fair, comparing Leicester. Over the last decade. I would say we have been at least the same level in terms of players and managers, we have been regular in the CL and our squad has been littered with quality. Player mentality and dare I say it some luck in the key moments, but I think we are very comparable to Leicester

 

[Stamford]

Let’s be fair, comparing Leicester. Over the last decade. I would say we have been at least the same level in terms of players and managers, we have been regular in the CL and our squad has been littered with quality. Player mentality and dare I say it some luck in the key moments, but I think we are very comparable to Leicester

when you lose the amount of semi finals and finals that we have done across the last 20/30 years it can no longer be put down to luck or close margins. It's systemic.

 

[shelfboy68]

when you lose the amount of semi finals and finals that we have done across the last 20/30 years it can no longer be put down to luck or close margins. It's systemic.

Yep I have said this many times myself it's not all bad luck or you can't beat a financially doped club see Leicester and Wigan for evidence that is bollocks.

 

[Saoirse]

Good question, like A&C posted the choice is not great atm , but I wouldn't employ a coach on the basis he might have won more games had he had better players and subsequently sits 4th bottom of the league.

The Lille coach intrigues me tbh.

Exactly... I don't think it's fair to say fans are lacking ambition when it's more that the options out there just aren't very glamourous. I think that's partially because we're not really in an era of "super managers" other than Guardiola and, at a real push, Conte who's been successful at three clubs now. La Liga is about to be won by a long-term manager who was a nobody when appointed, the Bundesliga by someone in their first job where the runner-up will also be extremely young with no playing experience, the French league by a bloke nobody had even heard of last year they picked up from Saint Etienne. Over here United's revival has been run by a guy who got relegated in the PL and then went to the Norwegian League of all places, and Leicester's success by someone who was in the Potter mould, then got sacked at Liverpool and went on to the Scottish League. And our most successful managers of the modern era have come from Southampton, Portsmouth and RKC Waalwijk, while the big names like Jose and Juande have failed miserably.