The1AnOnly
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I know joe Lewis could of brought another painting for that price or repainted his Yacht. Stupid fans
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LeParisien
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Joe Lewis is not a sugar daddy. He owns some businesses that have to be well run. They are.
Gb160
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So fucking Woolwich that.
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It's irrelevant. Lewis doesn't own Spurs, he's just the key stakeholder of the business that owns the business that owns ~90% of the club.
It bores me to repeat it anyway, but I'd love to take a look into the magical universe people live in where we build over £1bn worth of facilities on a large chunk of land we didn't own under Sugar, cleared all our debts, and somehow did this out of no investment. Miracle!
The1AnOnly
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Worth over 4 billion pound. But Can’t afford a right back before the season starts. But spends over 50mill for a manager change okay. He brought us for 22mill. Built a stadium+training ground which we are paying for not him and will be included in the price to any buyer. No doubt asking price Of 2 billion. He’s a slimy **** do anything for a profit just like how he made his money in the market crash
RichieS
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Why should he be under any obligation to fund the club out of his own pocket?
There obviously was more money available in the summer (we were trying to spend £70m on Dybala) so maybe Poche just didn't want a new right-back.
The1AnOnly
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You mean like we tried to sign suarez. Aguero. Same old story. Was it’s poch fault then or wasn’t you supporting spurs then?
RichieS
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Lol, I've been supporting Spurs since, as a 6 year old, I watched us win the FA Cup in 1991 thank you very much.
We didn't try to sign Suarez - Harry didn't want him. Agüero - who knows. I doubt he'd have wanted to come to us even if we'd tried. Believe whatever conspiracy theories you like but the Dybala deal was done except for trying (and failing) to sort out his legal situation.
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That's not even remotely close. ENIC paid £22m for the first 27% of Sugar's stake.
The1AnOnly
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Your right Suarez was actually Down you harry. But the last 10 years is the same old story we tried for so and so but In the last day of the window it failed. If Lewis back Us for once we could of won the league under Harry Redknapp and poch. But he hasn’t it’s a big money pot for him. How can you possibly support him. 19 years ago he brought the club he’s put less than 19million of his money in to this club we have one cup to show for it
The1AnOnly
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Oh wow. My bad how much are they paying you ?
KingKay
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You’re not helping yourself
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Snarfalicious
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ENIC, in!
They’re probably Scum fans (in disguise) who are pissed off that ENIC got hold of Jose before they did.
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You’re not helping yourself
Agree, got no time for irrational arguments, never mind the "I don't care if it's true or not, it's still right".
Too many people seem to hate our ownership because it's not like the likes of Chelsea's, ignoring that those guys invest their own money, but consider it a "loan" and aren't investing it for free. Chelsea don't have the facilities we have. City don't even own their own stadium. Man Utd and Arsenal are just cash cows for their owners.
BringBack_leGin
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Builds new trainfacilities and pours investment into academy? Not ambitious.
Builds new stadium, perhaps the best on earth? Not ambitious.
At great outlay dismisses manager and coaches who have taken us very far, but never all the way, and replaces them with the manager with the second most premier league titles (who will command a huge salary)? Not ambitious.
Basically, the only thing which is seen as ambitious is to spend a huge amount on players. Nothing else matters. This despite all the progress we’ve made from mid table or worse, to champions league regulars / finalists, this despite numerous examples of spending huge amounts not reaping dividends.
Last summer 6 clubs spent above £100m:
Man Utd: £148m
Villa: £144.5m
Arsenal: £138m
Man City: £135m
Everton: £118.5m
Spurs: £101.5m
Which of those clubs is anywhere near where they’d like to be after 13 league matches?
Now, next on the list is Leicester with £91m, so we’ve gone to last summers 7th highest spenders to find a side getting value for spending, followed by West Ham on £78m who keep up the trend of being well below par despite a large outlay.
I won’t be so disingenuous as to point to Chelsea’s meagre £40m outlay leaving them in the top 4, they already had a top 4 squad, but how about the performances of Sheffield Utd, newly promoted and having spent £43m and finding themselves top 6 (only need a point today to return there) or Burnley spending £15m and being top 6 (until that Sheffield Manchester match ends later)? These sides have spent a combined £58m and find themselves bettering 5 of the 6 £100m+ spenders, 4 of whom had far better squads on paper before a penny was spent anyway.
Then there’s the case of Liverpool, who have blown away all of the rest of last season’s top 6, having not been Champions, and spent £4.5m. Ok, you can argue that they were already significantly better than us, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, but they’ve spent 1/30 of what was spent by last year’s champions and find themselves 9 points ahead after 1/3 of the season.
There are countless examples of spending leading to success, I’m not saying I don’t want to see player investment, of course I do, but equally I refuse to accept that to building a club that generates mass revenue by itself, produces youth players and develops talent as a priority is unambitious, it’s just different. Now that there’s a manager in place who has proven himself a winner when given the tools, we have a true acid test of whether or not everything till now can provide success. I would have liked to see more player investment from Enic, and I don’t necessarily agree with the entire approach taken, but it’s ludicrous to suggest a lack of ambition, there is no evidence to suggest this.
Builds new stadium, perhaps the best on earth? Not ambitious.
At great outlay dismisses manager and coaches who have taken us very far, but never all the way, and replaces them with the manager with the second most premier league titles (who will command a huge salary)? Not ambitious.
Basically, the only thing which is seen as ambitious is to spend a huge amount on players. Nothing else matters. This despite all the progress we’ve made from mid table or worse, to champions league regulars / finalists, this despite numerous examples of spending huge amounts not reaping dividends.
Last summer 6 clubs spent above £100m:
Man Utd: £148m
Villa: £144.5m
Arsenal: £138m
Man City: £135m
Everton: £118.5m
Spurs: £101.5m
Which of those clubs is anywhere near where they’d like to be after 13 league matches?
Now, next on the list is Leicester with £91m, so we’ve gone to last summers 7th highest spenders to find a side getting value for spending, followed by West Ham on £78m who keep up the trend of being well below par despite a large outlay.
I won’t be so disingenuous as to point to Chelsea’s meagre £40m outlay leaving them in the top 4, they already had a top 4 squad, but how about the performances of Sheffield Utd, newly promoted and having spent £43m and finding themselves top 6 (only need a point today to return there) or Burnley spending £15m and being top 6 (until that Sheffield Manchester match ends later)? These sides have spent a combined £58m and find themselves bettering 5 of the 6 £100m+ spenders, 4 of whom had far better squads on paper before a penny was spent anyway.
Then there’s the case of Liverpool, who have blown away all of the rest of last season’s top 6, having not been Champions, and spent £4.5m. Ok, you can argue that they were already significantly better than us, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, but they’ve spent 1/30 of what was spent by last year’s champions and find themselves 9 points ahead after 1/3 of the season.
There are countless examples of spending leading to success, I’m not saying I don’t want to see player investment, of course I do, but equally I refuse to accept that to building a club that generates mass revenue by itself, produces youth players and develops talent as a priority is unambitious, it’s just different. Now that there’s a manager in place who has proven himself a winner when given the tools, we have a true acid test of whether or not everything till now can provide success. I would have liked to see more player investment from Enic, and I don’t necessarily agree with the entire approach taken, but it’s ludicrous to suggest a lack of ambition, there is no evidence to suggest this.
dontcallme
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For me it is not about remembering the 90s. I fully acknowledge that ENIC have taken us massively forwards since they took over.
The question is more if they are the right people to take us forward from here.
Levy has struggled to get the right setup.
He was fully behind Arnesen then he left for Chelsea. Comolli didn't work out. Redknapp wasn't a long term thinker. He didn't see Poch as a DOF type manager.
Mourinho as head coach and a DOF who can get on board with our financial structure seems a great setup for us. If it doesn't workout then maybe Levy, maybe rather than ENIC, is not the right board to take us forward from where we are now.
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