DogsOfWar
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As hard as it is to believe we have won more games in the last 16 years than we did throughout Bill Nic's 16.
This is our most successful period in the top flight.
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This is our most successful period in the top flight.
ohtottenham!
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Depends how you define success. Under Bill Nic, we won the league once (double year), FA Cup 3 times, League Cup twice, the European Cup Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup.
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Yeah but apart from that we had very little success and didn’t win that many games
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A 16 year stretch like that would be a dream. What I guess it means is we’ve been more consistent over the last 16 years which is a lot to do with the dominance the bigger teams have in the premier league. It’s a lot more unusual now to see big teams in the lower half of the table because of the imbalance in wages etc.
Have to say though that there is a lot to like about where we are at now. Great stadium, great training facilities, financially in an amazing position in the current climate and a structure that finally seems right. Need to turn this into a 16 year period like you stated.
HodisGawd
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We've won a hell of a lot of games over the last 16 years. If 3 or 4 more of them had gone in our favour the narrative would be entirely different. Fine margins. That's why I can't get angry about Levy's reign. I can be disappointed, I wish we'd won mpre, but I can't call for an ousting on the basis of this. That's for knee-jerkers. Got to keep doing the right thing and the luck will come. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
ohtottenham!
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It really wasn't a knock on the last 16 years. In fact, that was an illuminating statistic comparing the eras. I just wouldn't define it as the most successful period in our history. That would clearly be the Bill Nic era for me, mainly because of all the trophies we won during those years.
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Win ratio tend to drop as well if manager stay long term. Nicholson probably had a sky high win ratio in his first 3 seasons, the time range most managers stay before they leave. But he managed over decades, also bad times.
More recently, both Pochettino and Redknapp had much higher win ratio early on that dropped in their final year which led to their end. If Conte had stayed for one more year he'd probably dropped out of the list entirely.
Success, trophies, state of feeling. It's worth to remember the best seasons of Pochettino, every fan on cloud 9 every match week, while Arsenal fans were ranting and hating their club. In the end we got top 4 but no trophy, while they picked up another FA cup despite their rage and misery.
More recently, both Pochettino and Redknapp had much higher win ratio early on that dropped in their final year which led to their end. If Conte had stayed for one more year he'd probably dropped out of the list entirely.
Success, trophies, state of feeling. It's worth to remember the best seasons of Pochettino, every fan on cloud 9 every match week, while Arsenal fans were ranting and hating their club. In the end we got top 4 but no trophy, while they picked up another FA cup despite their rage and misery.
ohtottenham!
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I agree. Bill Nic's period from 1960-63 had everything. Win percentage must have been right up there and we won the League, 2 FA Cups and a European trophy all within three years!
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Try not to pay attention to these because as someone has already mentioned, the more games you manage, the more your ratio will drop.
That is proven by the fact only 3 of the top 10 coached over 100 games and the fact Tim Fucking Sherwood sits in 9th
fishhhandaricecake
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Harry 200 games Bill Nic 800 games, hardly comparable to Jose, Conte, AVB who all had 80 games and then were sacked. Sherwood 20 games etc.
That list lacks a lot of context.
What is quite incredible is of the 17 major trophies we’ve won (excluding Charity shields), the list is:
•Bill Nic 8!
•Burkinshaw 3
•6x other managers 1
So I get your point that in terms of league points and finishes that has dramatically improved under Levy’s tenure and whilst the football landscape has completely changed in the last 30 or so years and it’s become much harder to win trophies, we can’t just brush aside the fact that under Levy for one reason or another we’ve only won 2 league cups in near on 25 years.
The stats do also show just how incredible huge a part and % of our history Bill Nic was, he single handedly managed us to nearly 50% of our major trophy wins! Then add in Burkinshaw’s 3 and Arthur Rowe’s amazing push and run league title side, you kind of really have 3 key men who over 30-40 years basically wrote our clubs history.
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We are now at a stage where as Ange has said we are building towards always competing for every trophy not just winning one as a one off and that is a very exciting journey to now be on with Ange.
fishhhandaricecake
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And most importantly what was our xG?
fishhhandaricecake
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All true and don’t get me wrong I’m very happy right now and also I get that Levy can’t 100% control the results and he doesn’t manage the team, HOWEVER… he sets the culture of the club from the top and for a while I think finances were more important than winning, I also think that a ton of our managers were constantly left short in certain areas or squad depth and strength over the last ‘20+ years’ and those ‘fine margins’ can often be because of 1-2 extra or better players, or ones who’d been signed earlier in a window for example etc etc.
Levy also sacked George Graham before an FA Cup Semi which Hoddle went on to lose, he didn’t properly back Redknapp in the market to push on for a title charge when he could’ve, he left Poch short in squad depth which likely cost us an FA cup semi and arguably a PL title, he sacked Jose before a cup final etc etc so I do think directly or indirectly Levy has been a big reason why a few of the trophies that could’ve, haven’t fallen our way.
Overall however the club has improved in every area : stadium, training ground, revenue, league finishes.
We now have a fully aligned football operating model
Next step is to be fighting on all fronts season in season out, putting ourselves within touching distance of trophy wins and then getting over the line.
Id love to see us go full strength in the Carabao cup next season and give that a real good go to hopefully kick start our trophy cabinet with one in the bag early in the season in the way that Mouriniho did when he first joined Chelsea under Abramovic, then I’d like to see us follow it up with the FA Cup and League and finally a European trophy, so what I’m saying is we win the quadruple next season under Ange.
Didn't we have the League tied up by something ridiculous like February 1961 ?
DogsOfWar
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In terms of win ratio and games won in all competitions this is our most successful period.
It's, quite literally, what the graphic says!
In terms of winning trophies, in my opinion, it's Bill Nic, followed by Keith Burkenshaw, and then Rowe.
Although you could argue the league was better than the FA/UEFA cups but I wasn't around then so am a bit biased.
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But the basis for the most successful period is not based purely on win ratio.
The Scarecrow
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We've been close, though. We arguably should've won the league in 15/16, and we were also close (and very good) in 16/17. We also got to a CL final for the first time in our history, and had the game stolen from us in the first minute.
DogsOfWar
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I posted a graphic of our top winning managers wins and win ratios and stated this was our most successful period in the top flight.
In terms of winning games in all competitions and win ratios it is, that is what the graphic shows.
Just as I could post a graphic of our turnover and state that it is our most successful period in the top flight.
My comments were linked to the graphic.
Just for balance:
This is not our most successful period in the top flight ever.
ohtottenham!
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So, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems we're only referring to 16-year periods in this discussion. And, we're only doing that because that was the length of Bill Nic's tenure. And, we're really doing that to show that our most recent 16-year winning percentage compares favorably to that of Bill Nic's 16 years.
Then when we're discussing most successful periods in all of our history, as far as win percentage go, we only mean 16-year periods. It's very early in the morning over here and I'm over-caffeinated trying to stay awake for our game.
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Interesting video. Not sharing what isn't already known but a great recap of the Stadium/business side in a video that doesn't ramble. There really is no doubting his business acumen and frankly, if the next 20 years are the mirror image of the last 20 now the stadium and subsequent increased revenues have been organically put into place then it'll have been worth it in spades I think as the football people can do their thing without one hand tied behind their back compared to their peers.
