Next Manager Watch

Flobadob said:

Nagelsmann’s buyout clause ends this summer right? Or did I imagine someone saying that?

Click to expand...

After being told Inter had to raise millions by a certain date and therefore having to sell Bastoni to us, I believe none of this sort of thing any more.

mil1lion said:

I'm confused. So Potter did well at Brighton, a club who have a great structure. He did bad at Chelsea because they're a mess. Yet people think he will do well for us? We're every bit as much of a mess as Chelsea. We need someone who is proven to work in a mess of a club. Someone who can ride the waves and Potter hasn't shown that, certainly not in this league. If we are going to change our structure and get Levy away from football decisions then just get Nagelsmann. There's no scenario where Potter makes sense for us.

Click to expand...

True that would be my main concern about Potter which is why he was way down my list of preferences. Very good points you make.

By which date will we beat the 72 (or how many ever) days it took before we appointed Nuno?

I think we should make a big thing out of it we don’t have a DoF or manager appointed by that day. Like, proper. Give it a name. Do a countdown. Everyone post something on social under a hashtag on that day. Get your non-Spurs mates involved even. Sure, it’ll be slightly embarrassing for you/us as fans, but it will be SUPER embarrassing for the board - and that’s a win IMO.

wadewill said:

In that case I apologise for the assumption. Just so fucked off with everything to do with this club at the moment.

I get your point that in lehmans terms we have a choice yes, but realistically we don’t. The club know that and that’s why they will never change

Click to expand...

Yeah trust me, I had a mare last night in articulating myself across those posts because of my own frustrations with the situation so I completely understand. I respect the fact you apologised but actually I read back what I said and where I used the words "Stop participating with the club" That's such a poorly worded sentence, completely makes sense why you got the idea you did, so I take responsibility for the misunderstanding.

Apologies to those who I interacted with last night and appreciate being challenged on it. I'll be honest and I think it was avoiding saying this that ended up getting me twisted like a pretzel, I have frustrations with those who keep buying tickets and going to games because I feel like that is what allows Levy to keep making mediocre managerial appointments. I mean Trix literally posted yesterday that allegedly Daniel's attitude is "Football fans are fickle, they'll forget after a few games". So my view is that us keep getting memberships (myself included btw) and season tickets (a far greater commitment), are proving that attitude correct.

So I see that as not only does he think he has the power to do what he wants, when I see the posts saying we don't have a choice, my intention is to try and show those feeling helpless to the situation that we do have some power or try and give it to us. I think every time this topic comes up I've repeatedly made the mistake of lacking empathy towards particularly the season ticket holders who have the connections they do and it's the way that families bond. I understand that, Spurs is one of the few ways I can connect with my family too and I think the error we make is thinking that we will never find an alternative approach that doesn't involve giving the club money. I want to articulate myself to actually help people feel they have some power in the situation, instead I appear to have done the opposite thus far. I think this is because when I think I know a solution to a problem and people ignore it but keep falling to the victim to the problem, in this case, spurs having us over a barrel, I think I show impatience and it's the arrogance of thinking I know best and I hate when I fall into that so apologies.

I know people might say this has little to do with the next manager but to me it does, I think our relationship as fans with the club is what allows them to take the piss and I fucking hate being taken the piss out of and want us to do something about it, not protests where we go to the club shop before and after, not chanting in paid seats but actually hit them in the only place they seem to care. I'll try do better at accepting others don't see it that way though

worcestersauce said:

Ok here's my thoughts, on the understanding that the top names that we've fooled ourselves thinking about have all told us to do one I believe we have to accept we ain't in contention for trophies in the next couple of years so we don't need a proven winner we need a coach who can get us playing as a team not reliant on individuals, one who even if they can't take us to the top can give us the foundations and the route to the top.
My obvious candidate is Potter and although many of you won't like it I believe he would be the right option. His time at Chelsea is as much or more about that club and the owner who spent a fortune and still never got a striker nor did he seem to understand that Potter wasn't going to give him instant success.
Potter's record at Brighton cannot be questioned, they were everybody's favourite to go down when he took over and he turned around their style of play and their expectations and did it without a striker worth the name there either.
Brighton improved each season and although Di Zerbi is getting the plaudits there's no reason to suppose Potter wouldn't have presided over the same improvement had he still been there. On the other hand if you believe he wouldn't have done, then at least he built the model for Di Zerbi to take forward and even that would be a fucking massive bonus for us at the moment the state we're in.
Seriously we ain't in a place to think about success right now, if anything where we are we need to think about avoiding failure and steaming away from the maelstrom.
On that basis I respectfully put Graham Potter forward as my preferred option as our new coach.
Sorry I didn't moan, attack or slag off anyone and everyone like we're supposed to be doing in this thread but I just thought I'd try something different.
If anybody disagrees with me fine but please make your argument as to why and what is your better option.

Click to expand...

One of the things you mentioned is Potter not getting a striker at Chelsea..... We're no different! We we're crying out for (and still need) a creative midfielder. Christian was on a free and we did nothing. We need CBs badly but we got Richarlison and Danjuma. I can't see much difference Potter or any other manager will see here. I remember in an interview Poch said he was the head coach and not the manager. I don't think anything has changed. Levy manages the club and just employs someone to coach the team.

I'm not disagreeing with your post and I get what you were saying but my point is, no matter who we employ, they will just be a head coach as long as Levy is here.

By the way can someone explain to me what this Donna Cullen's role is in the club and why does she have a say in who the next manager is? I thought Levy and Joe Lewis owned the club.

Tezza1978 said:

I have very little optimism about our current situation and think the ITK we have had from Trix, Herc etc about Levy's meddling/chronic indecision is very likely to be accurate, but some of the catastrophising in here is too much. We aren't relegation candidates FFS

Click to expand...

Yet……

rossdapep said:

This is a really good assessment.

Ideally I want a coach who has proven his methods on multiple fronts.
Slot was not my number 1 preference but he had shown a lot in Europe and a more challenging league.

Not too mention his ability to work with little and having to refresh squads all the time.

To add to it, he also did the same thing with AZ. So he has 2 clubs in the same league punching well above their weight, playing the best football and beating the challengers who normally win everything.

Something to feel that he could really step up.

Ange seems like a very good coach and his system looks to suit what we need.

However, Id argue its much easier to get Celtic purring in the Scottish PL than it is AZ and Feyenoord because Celtic are always likely to win it.

I think any coach who comes in with a very positive approach and solid coaching will succeed there.

You can certainly look at the degree of success Ange had compared to Rodgers. That would he fair but I don't think he's close to being the beat choice.

My concern is how he can adapt tactically in the PL because now you have so many smart coaches who can make changes to switch a game up. Simply being a brilliant attacking team may not always be enough.

Gallardo and Nagelsmann are 2 of the worlds brightest younger coaches. They are tacically flexible but don't sacrifice their way of playing.

They'd fit like a glove and give us some serious contention again with time.

Even Amorim has proven himself tactically against some of Europe's top coaches and is not as pragmatic as some make out.

He will go on and be a success elsewhere Im certain.

I understand that he may not be the best fit though for some.

I just dont think Ange can take us to where we want to be and we may bw one of those teams that hammers some but gets undone quite easily.

Click to expand...

I think the key indicator is what have they done in their league in respect to what’s expected of them.

Postecoglu has the leagues powerhouse team. They have the best players and steamroller all before them pretty much every year. Yes he does appear to have them playing with style, but ultimately he has the best squad in the league at his disposal to do that.

Slot had effectively the 3rd biggest team in Holland, so to win that league he has had them playing at a level above expected.

Nagelsmann, took Hoffenheim, a typically mid table team to 4th and then 3rd in consecutive seasons. Kept RBL up challenging as a top3 side. I’ll swerve the Bayern season, as that is as expected as a Celtic title win.

Day 61. Nobody trusts anybody now, and we’re all very tired.

GetSpurredOn said:

Yet……



I think the key indicator is what have they done in their league in respect to what’s expected of them.

Postecoglu has the leagues powerhouse team. They have the best players and steamroller all before them pretty much every year. Yes he does appear to have them playing with style, but ultimately he has the best squad in the league at his disposal to do that.

Slot had effectively the 3rd biggest team in Holland, so to win that league he has had them playing at a level above expected.

Nagelsmann, took Hoffenheim, a typically mid table team to 4th and then 3rd in consecutive seasons. Kept RBL up challenging as a top3 side. I’ll swerve the Bayern season, as that is as expected as a Celtic title win.

Click to expand...

Some good points here re competitiveness of leagues vs where the manager has got them too. I don't doubt Big Ange has lots of personality and a good motivator. But he is totally unproven in a competitive league. Most half decent managers could get Celtic the title in that league.

He would be better than Rodgers but I would still be very underwhelmed by the appointment

RuskyM said:

Day 61. Nobody trusts anybody now, and we’re all very tired.

Click to expand...

Day 62: Scott Munn has started talking to the chickens..

Dr Know said:

One of the things you mentioned is Potter not getting a striker at Chelsea..... We're no different! We we're crying out for (and still need) a creative midfielder. Christian was on a free and we did nothing. We need CBs badly but we got Richarlison and Danjuma. I can't see much difference Potter on any manager will see here. I remember in an interview Poch said he was the head coach and not the manager. I don't think anything has changed. Levy manages the club and just employs someone to coach the team.

I'm not disagreeing with your post and I get what you were saying but my point is, no matter who we employ, they will just be a head coach as long as Levy is here.

By the way can someone explain to me what this Donna Cullen's role is in the club and why does she have a say in who the next manager is? I thought Levy and Joe Lewis owned the club.

Click to expand...

I guess that her position allows her a certain level of influence.

RuskyM said:

Day 61. Nobody trusts anybody now, and we’re all very tired.

Click to expand...

And still knowone knows what's going on

Metalhead said:

I guess that her position allows her a certain level of influence.

Click to expand...

I really know nothing about her apart from some negative posts on here, so I was genuinely curious about why she has a say in any managerial appointment.

spursn17 said:

tbh having a straight talking greek Aussie in charge appeals at the moment...zero bullshit, good people management...the sort we need at the moment

Click to expand...

This is probably the only reason I’d want him. To bring some positivity back. His problem will be, if he doesn’t get results and with him not being a favourite of the crowd, things will turn very quickly. He’ll need to win and he’ll need to win straight away. Next season at home is going to be so sour.

spursfan77 said:

This is probably the only reason I’d want him. To bring some positivity back. His problem will be, if he doesn’t get results and with him not being a favourite of the crowd, things will turn very quickly. He’ll need to win and he’ll need to win straight away. Next season at home is going to be so sour.

Click to expand...

I think that's the same of anyone they bring in now to be fair.

I would say be very careful believing the press with who they link us to. I think they have no idea at all. I doubt even levy knows. It’s all guesswork, so no point getting too up or too down with any of the links.

Dr Know said:

I really know nothing about her apart from some negative posts on here, so I was genuinely curious about why she has a say in any managerial appointment.

Click to expand...

She has worked very closely with DL for more than two decades and is one of the few people who has his ear, and who he trusts.

It doesn't much matter what people's roles are: they either have influence or they don't. She does.

spursfan77 said:

I would say be very careful believing the press with who they link us to. I think they have no idea at all. I doubt even levy knows. It’s all guesswork, so no point getting too up or too down with any of the links.

Click to expand...

Check the Twitter thread I shared last night. An absolute takedown of a well known journalists spurs coverage

Dr Know said:

One of the things you mentioned is Potter not getting a striker at Chelsea..... We're no different! We we're crying out for (and still need) a creative midfielder. Christian was on a free and we did nothing. We need CBs badly but we got Richarlison and Danjuma. I can't see much difference Potter or any other manager will see here. I remember in an interview Poch said he was the head coach and not the manager. I don't think anything has changed. Levy manages the club and just employs someone to coach the team.

I'm not disagreeing with your post and I get what you were saying but my point is, no matter who we employ, they will just be a head coach as long as Levy is here.

By the way can someone explain to me what this Donna Cullen's role is in the club and why does she have a say in who the next manager is? I thought Levy and Joe Lewis owned the club.

Click to expand...

I get the impression with Eriksen that it was Conte not wanting him?

Could be wrong, but I think Levy would have pushed hard for him otherwise.

Ooooof just imagine if we hadn’t been persisting with the silly 3-4-3 and had a 4-2-3-1 with Son, Eriksen and Kulusevski lining up behind Kane...

Albertbarich said:

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

Click to expand...

Waiting for the clause to drop away where we have to pay for him perhaps?

Albertbarich said:

Check the Twitter thread I shared last night. An absolute takedown of a well known journalists spurs coverage

Click to expand...

yeah I saw that, it’s spot on. Could replace Mokibel’s name with any of them.