Next Manager Watch

[Albertbarich]

My guess is we're going down a certain path, ala Brighton/Brentford and Nagelsmann wants assurances and more control of transfers, and maybe a say in the DOF.
It's commendable that we might actually have a plan, albeit copied, but sods law it's when someone like Nagelsmann becomes available and the visions clash and Levy won't budge.

or

Nagelsmann didn't like the sound of our vision/structure/Levy and is content to wait for a serious football club/chairperson to approach him.

Isnt that path were allegedly going down pretty much what he worked under at Red Bull?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

My guess is we're going down a certain path, ala Brighton/Brentford and Nagelsmann wants assurances and more control of transfers, and maybe a say in the DOF.
It's commendable that we might actually have a plan, albeit copied, but sods law it's when someone like Nagelsmann becomes available and the visions clash and Levy won't budge.

or

Nagelsmann didn't like the sound of our vision/structure/Levy and is content to wait for a serious football club/chairperson to approach him.

Think you’ve nailed it

 

[Hoopspur]

I've blatantly stolen this from elsewhere. It was a reply to myself. It pretty much also sums up about how I feel about some of the comments in this thread.

I don't think the club's complete refusal to ever make any official comment helps. It means anyone can make whatever claim they like knowing that the club will not confirm or deny anything. Which then means the fans cherry pick which claims they believe, usually to reinforce their preconceptions. And as we're seeing, that leads to a significant swell of anti-ENIC sentiment.

I think it's now too late to change that as any statement Levy makes now will simply be dismissed as desperate lies. The only thing that may get the fans back on side is appointing a manager who both goes on to win trophies and plays attractive football.

 

[Nebby]

I'm really struggling to get all that bothered about the new manager search. If the new guy turns out to be one of Nagelsmann, Rodgers, Potter, Postecoglou, Amorim, Enrique or even Mason, I'd be happy in the fact that they all have a footballing philosophy that's more akin to what I consider to be "the Spurs way" than Jose or Conte ever did. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and we always had creative midfielders running things, and that's the kind of football I long to see again.

 

[only1waddle]

I think this is one aspect that we can't ever really understand. As much as we speculate, we don't really know the psychology of the players or how managers really are in the interpersonal relations.

Maybe Potter is able to communicate with the players in a way that we might not imagine.

This is a good point and something I had considered, It's easy to get drawn in by character, Ancelotti is probably the best example of someone who doesn't show much but is an exceptional man manager.

 

[Darth Vega]

I don’t agree with this assessment of his personality at all. He was lauded for his ability to elevate the players at Brighton and Swansea to a higher level.

He is very much sports psychology driven etc. I don’t have any worries about his ability to get his players to be driven and motivated.

My concerns are with his teams ability to create chances.

That's a fair point, though I mean more so his character and how it will translate with the fans. Ultimately we'll be happy if we're playing well and winning games but with things as toxic and fragile as they are I can't see our fans giving him much leeway were he to start badly, and with Levy as impressionable and trigger happy as he is then it wouldn't take long for things to go south.

 

[only1waddle]

Isnt that oath were allegedly going down pretty much what he worked under at Red Bull?

Think ITK said a kind of hybrid version of Ajax/Dortmund model, and now it seems there's a betting/stats based approach thrown into the mix also.... next week children, rocket ships with NASA..!!

 

[greaves]

I'm really struggling to get all that bothered about the new manager search. If the new guy turns out to be one of Nagelsmann, Rodgers, Potter, Postecoglou, Amorim, Enrique or even Mason, I'd be happy in the fact that they all have a footballing philosophy that's more akin to what I consider to be "the Spurs way" than Jose or Conte ever did. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and we always had creative midfielders running things, and that's the kind of football I long to see again.

I'm more and more coming round to the idea of the next manager being anonymous. Someone like The Stig. No one will know anything about them and what happens happens. He/she/they would have to wear a helmet or a cardboard box with mouth and eyeholes. It would certainly be a first.

 

[Joely]

•Luis Enrique - nice passing possession pressing style of play, out of a job and ready for a ‘project’ not sure his character is particularly uplifting or that he’s exactly the right fit for us and think he’s angling for the PSG job, but if we did go here I’d personally be ok with it, could work well with Gil, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc

Longer it goes on and with the options narrowing down, wouldn't be surprised if Levy turned to Enrique. Available, looks to setup teams with a entertaining style of play and fairly high profile. If Levy brings him in, think he'll feel it'll be enough to keep most fans off his back.

Definite question marks over whether he'd be the right fit but maybe less so in his eyes than say the likes of Potter (Poor stint in last job and baggage of being another ex-Chelsea manager. Also not sure what whether Chelsea would be due anything like in the Nagelsmann case?), Rodgers (Didn't end well at Leicester, don't think his agent is a massive fan of Levy and in a lot of fans eyes not an inspired choice) or Postecoglou (risk coming from the Scottish football).

 

[ajspurs]

Ah ok yes completely agree mate, although looking at the options available, if we can’t get JN or Big Ange then I think Amorim would be a better choice than for example the likes of Potter, Rodgers, T.Frank etc

I could personally better convince myself that Potter may get us playing in a way I'd be more happy with than I would if Amorim was in charge. I know there have been numerous posts claiming otherwise and backing it up with stats and such and it's a tired discussion but I'm still very wary of Amorim's setup resembling Conte's. I'm just really yearning for something a lot more in the other (attacking) direction.

 

[Albertbarich]

Longer it goes on and with the options narrowing down, wouldn't be surprised if Levy turned to Enrique. Available, looks to setup teams with a entertaining style of play and fairly high profile. If Levy brings him in, think he'll feel it'll be enough to keep most fans off his back.

Definite question marks over whether he'd be the right fit but maybe less so in his eyes than say the likes of Potter (Poor stint at Chelsea and fact he would be coming from them. Also not sure what whether Chelsea would be due anything like in the Nagelsmann case?), Rodgers (Didn't end well at Leicester, don't think his agent is a massive fan of Levy and in a lot of fans eyes not an inspired choice) or Postecoglou (risk coming from the Scottish football).

If slot wasn't happy with the level of control, if Nagelsmann wasn't happy with the structure then I'd be absolutely amazed if any talks with Enrique didn't break down within 15 minutes of speaking to Levy.

 

[Stavrogin]

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

Nagelsmann is an enigma. He might be a coaching prodigy but so was AVB. When you are that young and have only coached in your own country there are a lot of unknowns. There's a strong coaching culture in Germany and the support systems at RBL (DOF etc.) may have helped a lot.

I would like Nagelsmann because of the optimism he would bring and the potential upsides. But we might be wrong in thinking he's a 'top tier' coach like Conte - and he's really much more similar to Slot. Not a bad thing.

 

[neogenisis]

Levy isn’t appointing Potter.

The optics will look horrendous.

He was Chelsea’s worst permanent manager of the modern era and they’ve sacked him to bring in our best manager of the modern era…

Optics? OPTICS! Its Levy mate, he doesn't give 2 shits what it looks like. There is no communication from the Club at all, and the shit that does come out is so cringe, you would swear it was written by the love child of Basil Fawlty and Dave Brent.

 

[Joely]

If slot wasn't happy with the level of control, if Nagelsmann wasn't happy with the structure then I'd be absolutely amazed if any talks with Enrique didn't break down within 15 minutes of speaking to Levy.

Agreed but if nothing else comes up for him job wise think the draw of managing in the EPL and getting back into work might convince him.

 

[Whitey]

Let's add Gordon Strachen, Ronny Delia and Neil Lennon to the list....,

You forgot Ronnie Pickering...

 

[glacierSpurs]

Nagelsmann’s buyout clause ends this summer right? Or did I imagine someone saying that?

I thought along this line too. Levy being Levy, he just wanna save that few millions. But I won't be surprise by then Nagelsmann has already agreed with another club.

 

[Dwallace]

I don't think this managerial process is as bad as the press and the media and a few of us on here are making it out to be. Reason being we still got really good options available who Amorim aside all believe in playing good football And imo the best of those options are all free.

Enrique for me is the best candidate for the job I am amazed that he hasn't been offered the job already considering his pedigree in terms of trophies is probably the best of all candidates and the style of play is exactly what we're looking for. I know Ange is doing well as Celtic but there's a BIG difference between doing a treble with Barcelona and doing one with Celtic.

Rodgers is nowhere near as bad as people are making out he's record at Liverpool Leicester and Celtic shows that for free years these teams play good football finish high in the league and win trophies. I'm not sure he would be good after three years which Liverpool and Leicester will testify too but short term he would do a good job for us.

Potter would be the perfect candidate for a major rebuild and would certainly get the team playing really good football again. No matter how well RRDZ is doing at Brighton a massive part of that success is down to Potter he laid The Foundations RDZ is just building on them I also think Potters personality could be the best to get the best out of our players considering the dictatorial approach of previous managers hasn't worked.

 

[Stavrogin]

I've blatantly stolen this from elsewhere. It was a reply to myself. It pretty much also sums up about how I feel about some of the comments in this thread.

I don't think the club's complete refusal to ever make any official comment helps. It means anyone can make whatever claim they like knowing that the club will not confirm or deny anything. Which then means the fans cherry pick which claims they believe, usually to reinforce their preconceptions. And as we're seeing, that leads to a significant swell of anti-ENIC sentiment.

I think it's now too late to change that as any statement Levy makes now will simply be dismissed as desperate lies. The only thing that may get the fans back on side is appointing a manager who both goes on to win trophies and plays attractive football.

Such a good point. ITK has transformed from being about 'X is going happen' or 'we want Y', to very opinionated snippets that can never be verified or proven (We even had one that said: 'I can't tell you what's happened but you need to angry'. With the Slot talks we have multiple explanations of why things didn't work out, most are contradictory and rely on psychological analysis of the participents - and do no correspond with the newspaper articles written on the subject. But as you say, all are being absorbed by the fanbase and creating this new reality - which can't be right.

 

[mil1lion]

I'm confused. So Potter did well at Brighton, a club who have a great structure. He did bad at Chelsea because they're a mess. Yet people think he will do well for us? We're every bit as much of a mess as Chelsea. We need someone who is proven to work in a mess of a club. Someone who can ride the waves and Potter hasn't shown that, certainly not in this league. If we are going to change our structure and get Levy away from football decisions then just get Nagelsmann. There's no scenario where Potter makes sense for us.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I could personally better convince myself that Potter may get us playing in a way I'd be more happy with than I would if Amorim was in charge. I know there have been numerous posts claiming otherwise and backing it up with stats and such and it's a tired discussion but I'm still very wary of Amorim's setup resembling Conte's. I'm just really yearning for something a lot more in the other (attacking) direction.

Yea very good points mate Potterball would in theory be better to watch which would be a refreshing change seeing our team actually have more do the ball for once and if he stays Kane could finish the chances Potters teams create I hear ya.