Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

spids said:
And yet they’ve made £300 (£s not Euros) profit on 8 players sales in the last 5 years.

Bergwijn is clearly at least a £25m player. International strikers do not go for less, unless in the last year of their contract. No way we should be selling Bergwijn to anyone for 18m euros (£15m). Similar with Lo Celso - great for Argentina, Villareal’s best player in their run to the CL semi final, if they want him they need to stump up the cash.

All fair points but irrelevant if other offers don’t come in. Players are worth what teams are willing to pay.

If Conte wanted Bergwijn and the player wanted to stay then we could easily turn down these offers.

But the reality is the opposite. Conte doesn’t play him and the player has publicly stated he wants to leave.

We’ll obviously try to get the best price we can for him but it’s better to accept a slightly lower fee than keep an unwanted player.

$hoguN · Jun 12, 2022

dontcallme said:
Then we get stuck with a player that is surplus to requirements and wants to leave.

We really win in that scenario ?

Ajax won’t be the only buyer for him, if he views it as Ajax or no-one then obviously we will have a decision to make

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

$hoguN said:
Ajax won’t be the only buyer for him

That’s certainly the hope. Ajax appear the biggest club interested at the moment. Sadly they don’t spend big on transfers.

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Jun 12, 2022

They’ll be more interest and more money later in the window. No reason to sell now. He along with Ajax will have to make a choice. I could see a scenario where at least 5 PL clubs and a few elsewhere will be in for him. He’s a good player

Cochise · Jun 12, 2022

I'm happy for him to get his move, but I'm getting pissed off hearing opposition fans talking like we should let him go for cheap.

The same goes for GLC, who whilst he's not in Conte's plans does not mean we should give him away.

AustroSpur · Jun 12, 2022

might be worth taking a loss and accepting a price lower than our valuation of Bergwijn when it means keeping relations with Ajax intact though? They´re a club worth being on good terms with regarding future business...

Basil Brush · Jun 12, 2022

AustroSpur said:
might be worth taking a loss and accepting a price lower than our valuation of Bergwijn when it means keeping relations with Ajax intact though? They´re a club worth being on good terms with regarding future business...

Yeah but as we know, they under pay and over sell.

Not sure it is worth keeping a relationship with them, as they just take best offers, no matter who is offering.

tommyt · Jun 12, 2022

Water tight sell-on clause (if such a thing exists) could be a workaround for a lower initial fee.

TPdYID · Jun 12, 2022

AustroSpur said:
might be worth taking a loss and accepting a price lower than our valuation of Bergwijn when it means keeping relations with Ajax intact though? They´re a club worth being on good terms with regarding future business...

Would you do the same if you were selling your house?

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

TPdYID said:
Would you do the same if you were selling your house?

What a wonderful false equivalence.

At what point did you think that made sense?

But to try and answer.

If I wanted to sell my house and the house price was likely going to go down the longer I kept it, would I sell now for less than I thought it was worth in present knowing the future price would be lower? Yes, I would.

TPdYID · Jun 12, 2022

dontcallme said:
What a wonderful false equivalence.

At what point did you think that made sense?

But to try and answer.

If I wanted to sell my house and the house price was likely going to go down the longer I kept it, would I sell now for less than I thought it was worth in present knowing the future price would be lower? Yes, I would.

Made enough sense for you to articulate an answer?

Why, therefore, the need for the patronising tone at the start?

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

TPdYID said:
Made enough sense for you to articulate an answer?

Why, therefore, the need for the patronising tone at the start?

Because comparing selling a footballer and a house is completely nonsensical. Funny though.

chrissivad · Jun 12, 2022

AustroSpur said:
might be worth taking a loss and accepting a price lower than our valuation of Bergwijn when it means keeping relations with Ajax intact though? They´re a club worth being on good terms with regarding future business...

As long as we don't put a stupid price tag on him like £50m i don't think it will hurt the relationship.
Happens all the time, and its just working on finding an agreement that works for both clubs.

I don't see the point in dropping our price, just to keep them happy for nothing back. They won't do the same for us

TPdYID · Jun 12, 2022

dontcallme said:
Because comparing selling a footballer and a house is completely nonsensical. Funny though.

Surely there’s going to be comparisons drawn from buying/selling any unit?

But yeah, well funny.

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

TPdYID said:
Surely there’s going to be comparisons drawn from buying/selling any unit?

But yeah, we’ll funny.

The situations are clearly completely different.

Trying to compare a football club determining the price of a player and if they should sell to if an individual would sell his house for less than he’d like is one of the weirdest things I’ve read on this site.

Lots of competition.

TPdYID · Jun 12, 2022

dontcallme said:
Trying to compare a football club determining the price of a player and if they should sell to if an individual would sell his house for less than he’d like is one of the weirdest things I’ve read on this site.

Lots of competition.

Over exaggeration, much?

Lets stick with your MO for player sales…if ‘player A’ is deemed not to the required standard let’s just flog to the first bidder and moan about the net profits/losses in another thread.

My point stands; Obtain the best price as is financially possible. Selling to the first bidder may clear the decks earlier but isn’t going to yield the best value for money.

If Ajax want Stevie.B they need to piss or get off the pot.

jurgen · Jun 12, 2022

If you’re a buy to let landlord who owns about 30 houses and sends 11 of those houses onto a field to compete against 11 houses from another landlord every week then I guess the analogy holds.

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

TPdYID said:
Over exaggeration, much?

Lets stick with your MO for player sales…if ‘player A’ is deemed not to the required standard let’s just flog to the first bidder and moan about the net profits/losses in another thread.

My point stands; Obtain the best price as is financially possible. Selling to the first bidder may clear the decks earlier but isn’t going to yield the best value for money.

If Ajax want Stevie.B they need to piss or get off the pot.

Not exaggerating at all. It’s fucking weird. When selling your house have you ever had to consider that if you don’t find a buyer within a contest period you would lose it for free? It’s just a flat out bizarre equivalence.

No one is saying we shouldn’t get the best price we can, so again I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.

mickdale · Jun 12, 2022

ive heard somewhere we want £30m for him but Ajax wont pay over £25m
If thats the case i am sure a deal will be done with them

dontcallme · Jun 12, 2022

mickdale said:
ive heard somewhere we want £30m for him but Ajax wont pay over £25m
If thats the case i am sure a deal will be done with them

Yeah, the price doesn’t seem that out of sync for an agreement to be made.

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