Berbatov

Berbati · Oct 24, 2007

hybridsoldier said:
oh no berbatov was upset because he wanted to play and didnt

isn't that the mark of a good pro?

defoe, keane and berba have thrown strops before, its prb you have when you have 4 good strikers

i think every1 needs to shut up with the oh he's off in the summer, or saying tell him to feck off.....you'll be licking his arsehole out in the 2nd half of the season.

berba plays half a season, he did it at leverksen and he did it with us last season

I suspect much of the same this season

That's not true. By the end of December Berbatov has scored 10 goals and after that - 13. Given that he missed 4 weeks because of injury in the first half of the season, it's clear that he played very well before the Spring.

Berbatov will be fantastic in the second half of the season but I'm not sure that he will play in a Spurs shirt.

Berbatov feels unhappy at Spurs. He has had bust-ups with other players and Jol has taken the latter's side. Normally, Berbatov is a shy and noble person. He gives a lot of money to suport arm and ill chidren. Something absolutely unacceptable should have happened to provoke such a behaivour toward the manager he liked so much some months ago. Never before that season he has shown any antics of disrespect for his manager. Besides, Berbatov likes to surf the forums. He goes mental when his game is a subject of stupid criticisms. And there was a lot of such criticisms at Spurs forums. In two words, he is disappointed by his teammates, the manager and a significant part of the fans. I doubt he could play passionately for Spurs anymore.

orkneyspur · Oct 24, 2007

Berbati said:
That's not true. By the end of December Berbatov has scored 10 goals and after that - 13. Given that he missed 4 weeks because of injury in the first half of the season, it's clear that he played very well before the Spring.

Berbatov will be fantastic in the second half of the season but I'm not sure that he will play in a Spurs shirt.

Berbatov feels unhappy at Spurs. He has had bust-ups with other players and Jol has taken the latter's side. Normally, Berbatov is a shy and noble person. He gives a lot of money to suport arm and ill chidren. Something absolutely unacceptable should have happened to provoke such a behaivour toward the manager he liked so much some months ago. Never before that season he has shown any antics of disrespect for his manager. Besides, Berbatov likes to surf the forums. He goes mental when his game is a subject of stupid criticisms. And there was a lot of such criticisms at Spurs forums. In two words, he is disappointed by his teammates, the manager and a significant part of the fans. I doubt he could play passionately for Spurs anymore.

So let me get this straight.
He's had bust ups with other players.
He's has bust ups with the coach.
He surfs forums to find out what is being said about him.
He sulks.

There's a kinda trend developing there........:violin:

PLTuck · Oct 24, 2007

Berbati said:
Berbatov feels unhappy at Spurs. He has had bust-ups with other players and Jol has taken the latter's side. Normally, Berbatov is a shy and noble person. He gives a lot of money to suport arm and ill chidren. Something absolutely unacceptable should have happened to provoke such a behaivour toward the manager he liked so much some months ago. Never before that season he has shown any antics of disrespect for his manager. Besides, Berbatov likes to surf the forums. He goes mental when his game is a subject of stupid criticisms. And there was a lot of such criticisms at Spurs forums. In two words, he is disappointed by his teammates, the manager and a significant part of the fans. I doubt he could play passionately for Spurs anymore.

You know this through fact or are you making your own assumptions?

Does he not realise that every single player on the planet gets sometimes unfair, sometimes fair criticism on fan forums? Part of what you have to deal with being a footballer in the public eye yes?

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if what you describe is true re: fallouts, nothing would surprise me about THFC at the moment, but unless you have a source to quote, you know no better than any of us, and shouldn't be passing this off as fact, more it is your opinion.

Why do you continue to insist that Berbs is whiter than white in all aspects? I'm not against the player, he is fantastic at times, and we have all heard about his charity work in Bulgaria, and very noble it is too. The fact remains that he is a professional football player and should act as such at all times, even more so being a senior member of the squad.

Keano had a hissy fit a couple years ago and got mullered for it. (and actually came through it a better player imo).
Ghaly had a hissy fit and got mullered for it.
Defoe had a hissy fit and got mullered for it

Why should Berbs be any different? Does his poo not smell?

Yidiot · Oct 24, 2007

Berbati said:
That's not true. By the end of December Berbatov has scored 10 goals and after that - 13. Given that he missed 4 weeks because of injury in the first half of the season, it's clear that he played very well before the Spring.

Berbatov will be fantastic in the second half of the season but I'm not sure that he will play in a Spurs shirt.

Berbatov feels unhappy at Spurs. He has had bust-ups with other players and Jol has taken the latter's side. Normally, Berbatov is a shy and noble person. He gives a lot of money to suport arm and ill chidren. Something absolutely unacceptable should have happened to provoke such a behaivour toward the manager he liked so much some months ago. Never before that season he has shown any antics of disrespect for his manager. Besides, Berbatov likes to surf the forums. He goes mental when his game is a subject of stupid criticisms. And there was a lot of such criticisms at Spurs forums. In two words, he is disappointed by his teammates, the manager and a significant part of the fans. I doubt he could play passionately for Spurs anymore.

i reckon you're berbatov.

plus, i like the idea that he/you gives money to support and arm children. children should have weapons.

i also like the 'in two words' bit. which two words should we pay attention to?

that is all.

muffwah · Oct 24, 2007

Stoof said:
Can you blame him? Really?

He missed one (albeit a very good) chance against Arsenal and already there were people standing next to me murmurring "16 million ... rubbish ... waste"

What the fuck sort of chance is that? There's been so much pressure been heaped on the lad that he's just collapsed. It makes sense to keep the transfer fees private, don't you think? I understand why they keep a lot undisclosed - it's to stop fuelling a fickle crowd with another round of ammunition

Unfortunately because of the size of the fee it needed to be disclosed to the stock market.

Bent already has a decent return of goals/assists per start

Kendall · Oct 24, 2007

Berbati said:
You are perfectly right. It's a disgrace when a player from Berbatov's caliber wants to play in the CL and win it. That's a disgrace. By contrast, it's a dignity when a world class player is happy to sit on the bench of a bottom three team. That would be a god-like behaivour. So, it's a disgrace that Berbatov is not Jesus. That's a disgrace indeed.

You total loser

It's a disgrace for any player of any team to act that way when we're paying him thousands per fucking week.

Why did he even come to Tottenham if he wanted instant success? we're playing like a bag of shit at the moment and he's been one of the worst offenders, but to be a world class player you have to muck in, not sulk. Does Drogba sulk? does Ronaldo sulk? does Rooney sulk? did McCarthy sulk last season when Blackburn took a turn for the worst? did Tevez sulk last season when they were in the drop zone all year? no, they all lead by fucking example.

Bromavinci · Oct 24, 2007

Berbati said:
That's not true. By the end of December Berbatov has scored 10 goals and after that - 13. Given that he missed 4 weeks because of injury in the first half of the season, it's clear that he played very well before the Spring.

Berbatov will be fantastic in the second half of the season but I'm not sure that he will play in a Spurs shirt.

Berbatov feels unhappy at Spurs. He has had bust-ups with other players and Jol has taken the latter's side. Normally, Berbatov is a shy and noble person. He gives a lot of money to suport arm and ill chidren. Something absolutely unacceptable should have happened to provoke such a behaivour toward the manager he liked so much some months ago. Never before that season he has shown any antics of disrespect for his manager. Besides, Berbatov likes to surf the forums. He goes mental when his game is a subject of stupid criticisms. And there was a lot of such criticisms at Spurs forums. In two words, he is disappointed by his teammates, the manager and a significant part of the fans. I doubt he could play passionately for Spurs anymore.

Dimi...? Is that you? Eek

If it is, please mate get stuck in and take criticism on the cheek...you're in the Premiership now mate, there is no room for sulking or you will disappear rather quickly to turkey or russia or some other wilderness...certainly not to ManU

If its not, then can you pass on a message from me...please mate get stuck in and take criticism on the cheek...etc etc...

bogosian · Oct 24, 2007

well berbati, i usually agree to your posts, sometimes i don't ... but this one was ridiculous. get a grip.

some wanker-commentator invented a manager-berbatov bust up & it leads to 500 tons of rubbish thrown at all sides.

nikosramone · Oct 24, 2007

to be fair, if berbatov is going to behave like this, what team will want him after this display of childish behaviour?

idlepete · Oct 24, 2007

For Christ's sake. All he did was play his face a bit, and given Bent's performance I can see why. Everyone's different, and the key to man management is to know your characters. Berbatov's a genius. He needs to play every game and have a friendly arm thrown around him when things aren't going right. He should be surrounded by players to provide the steel and grit. Don't expect it from him.

AnotherSpursFan · Oct 24, 2007

Spurs need team spirit. Robbie Keane has set an example, he has stopped directing moaning and arms flailing against teammates.
Berbatov has not, he is the type of player you would hate to have as a teamate with a holier than thou attitude. He sulks and openly disapproves of his teamate's effort. Think Sir Alex would want to buy Berbatov? No way. No way.

ivo6503 · Oct 24, 2007

Hi all, seeing tons of speculations here, so I though I'd contribute my bit

. Being a Bulgarian I've watched Berbatov all his carreer and think I have some idea what he's going through:

Berbatov is generally a very nice guy and, for good or bad, extremely sensitive - he's not a tough character - and is hugely influenced by the environment. When things turn to worse (as they are now) he just sinks. He needs to get his confidence maintained on a daily basis by being in the first squad (or if left on the bench it better be for a good reason - e.g. rest before a crutial game, etc.).

What's happening now reminds me of how he left CSKA Sofia for Leverkusen - he missed a critical goal and was heavily booed, he actually cried when being substituted and two months later was at Bayer - where he became their best player and couple of seasons later played in the CL final agains Real.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that - yes Berbatov should act as a professional and his current attitude is poor to say the least - but he's a genuis when in good mood and any manager should know his players - and if they are overly sensitive you have two choices - love them and manage the relationship or let them go - it's like with girlfriends

.

Jol is the manager - it's his job to manage his players - not expect them to manage themselves. If they can do it - great - but that's a bonus, not a given. If you don't manage well a player like Berbs he becomes a huge liability - but, as they say in my profession (IT) - his actions are not a bug, they are a feature

To conclude:
- Berbs has the mental character of a child/woman and if this comes as a surprise then the surprised ones are clearly not very good at managing other people
- Jol is clearly not good enough. Achieving two 5th place finishes via pure luck and individual briliance of some players, spepecially when you have the 3rd budget in the Prem (after Chealse and MU), is really not such a great achievement. Everton made it to the CL two years back, Bolton were Uefa regulars, Boro played in the Uefa Cup final!!! - all with peanuts in resources.

And hasn't anyone noticed that under Jol Spurs have a tendency to:
- turn good/potential players into crap (JJ, JD, AL, Robinson, Daws, Chimbo...)
- lose the best ones (Carrick, Kanoute, Davids ...)

By Jan either Jol or Berbs will be out - this relationship is over once and for all (just as it would have been if they were married).

Dibby · Oct 24, 2007

Berbatov was a real idol for me last year.

This year, however...... meh.

MR_BEN · Oct 24, 2007

seesyboyyid said:
You can't blame him for it though. He's sitting on the bench while Bent is playing like a twat and he still didn't come on at half time when he should've. I'd have a strop on aswel. Especially being that we were losing and he can't do anything about it. Jol decided to bring him on at 2-0 down, although he came on at 2-1, and i can see his point why he was pissed off. So what if he had a sulk, he knows hes better than the rest of the team and proved it when he came on. A nice touch and pass in to the path of Bent who should've at least hit the target.

berbatov deserved to be on the bench.

actually. berbatov deserved to be back in london, and jermain defoe deserved to be on the bench if i'm honest.

berbatov has been sulking all season. in the style of thiery henry. yet at least henry then produced something the next game. berbs has done nothing, and should be punished. his attitude is no better than dare i say it... hossam ghaly!

SpurSince57 · Oct 24, 2007

ivo6503 said:
Hi all, seeing tons of speculations here, so I though I'd contribute my bit . Being a Bulgarian I've watched Berbatov all his carreer and think I have some idea what he's going through:

Berbatov is generally a very nice guy and, for good or bad, extremely sensitive - he's not a tough character - and is hugely influenced by the environment. When things turn to worse (as they are now) he just sinks. He needs to get his confidence maintained on a daily basis by being in the first squad (or if left on the bench it better be for a good reason - e.g. rest before a crutial game, etc.).

What's happening now reminds me of how he left CSKA Sofia for Leverkusen - he missed a critical goal and was heavily booed, he actually cried when being substituted and two months later was at Bayer - where he became their best player and couple of seasons later played in the CL final agains Real.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that - yes Berbatov should act as a professional and his current attitude is poor to say the least - but he's a genuis when in good mood and any manager should know his players - and if they are overly sensitive you have two choices - love them and manage the relationship or let them go - it's like with girlfriends .

Jol is the manager - it's his job to manage his players - not expect them to manage themselves. If they can do it - great - but that's a bonus, not a given. If you don't manage well a player like Berbs he becomes a huge liability - but, as they say in my profession (IT) - his actions are not a bug, they are a feature

To conclude:
- Berbs has the mental character of a child/woman and if this comes as a surprise then the surprised ones are clearly not very good at managing other people
- Jol is clearly not good enough. Achieving two 5th place finishes via pure luck and individual briliance of some players, spepecially when you have the 3rd budget in the Prem (after Chealse and MU), is really not such a great achievement. Everton made it to the CL two years back, Bolton were Uefa regulars, Boro played in the Uefa Cup final!!! - all with peanuts in resources.

And hasn't anyone noticed that under Jol Spurs have a tendency to:
- turn good/potential players into crap (JJ, JD, AL, Robinson, Daws, Chimbo...)
- lose the best ones (Carrick, Kanoute, Davids ...)

By Jan either Jol or Berbs will be out - this relationship is over once and for all (just as it would have been if they were married).

:rofl:

PLTuck · Oct 24, 2007

ivo6503 said:
Hi all, seeing tons of speculations here, so I though I'd contribute my bit . Being a Bulgarian I've watched Berbatov all his carreer and think I have some idea what he's going through:

Berbatov is generally a very nice guy and, for good or bad, extremely sensitive - he's not a tough character - and is hugely influenced by the environment. When things turn to worse (as they are now) he just sinks. He needs to get his confidence maintained on a daily basis by being in the first squad (or if left on the bench it better be for a good reason - e.g. rest before a crutial game, etc.).

What's happening now reminds me of how he left CSKA Sofia for Leverkusen - he missed a critical goal and was heavily booed, he actually cried when being substituted and two months later was at Bayer - where he became their best player and couple of seasons later played in the CL final agains Real.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that - yes Berbatov should act as a professional and his current attitude is poor to say the least - but he's a genuis when in good mood and any manager should know his players - and if they are overly sensitive you have two choices - love them and manage the relationship or let them go - it's like with girlfriends .

Jol is the manager - it's his job to manage his players - not expect them to manage themselves. If they can do it - great - but that's a bonus, not a given. If you don't manage well a player like Berbs he becomes a huge liability - but, as they say in my profession (IT) - his actions are not a bug, they are a feature

To conclude:
- Berbs has the mental character of a child/woman and if this comes as a surprise then the surprised ones are clearly not very good at managing other people
- Jol is clearly not good enough. Achieving two 5th place finishes via pure luck and individual briliance of some players, spepecially when you have the 3rd budget in the Prem (after Chealse and MU), is really not such a great achievement. Everton made it to the CL two years back, Bolton were Uefa regulars, Boro played in the Uefa Cup final!!! - all with peanuts in resources.

And hasn't anyone noticed that under Jol Spurs have a tendency to:
- turn good/potential players into crap (JJ, JD, AL, Robinson, Daws, Chimbo...)
- lose the best ones (Carrick, Kanoute, Davids ...)

By Jan either Jol or Berbs will be out - this relationship is over once and for all (just as it would have been if they were married).

The majority of this post is pretty good. Don't agree with a few things (5th place by luck) but by and large a good viewpoint, put across well, unlike certain other posters...

Thanks for sharing your insight into Berbs. It would make sense. Jol has said before that he's sensitive, so you are right, it's up to Jol to manage him. But it is also up to Berbs to put 'a good shift in', which he hasn't done enough this season yet. I'm sure Berbs hates being in the bottom 3, but the whole squad is in the same boat and they should be pulling together, not bitching at each other and throwing strops.

I hope my posts about Berbs are not taken the wrong way. I think we should do everything possible to keep him happy, but not at the expense of the team. I think that about all our players though. Bers can't be made a special case just because he's a level above most of our players.

If he's really that sensitive, Man Utd is the last place he should want to go. He would find it very difficult to deal with the legendary hairdryer treatment from SAF.

To be honest, I've clamed down a little now. I was furious on Monday & Tuesday, now just saddened and disappointed. I just hope it's a storm in a teacup.

ivo6503 · Oct 24, 2007

Not sure what's so funny - but then again maybe you think the 4-3 win at WestHam and the like were the result of some great tactics. And we would not have been 5th last year if there was any real competition below top 4 - like this year with Man City and Newcastle. Where do you think we would have ended if Everton, Blackburn, etc. also had the cash we spend.

But, dream on if that makes you happy - we clearly have the best manager for the job - he said it himself afterall

. Maybe we'll spend another 40 mil in Jan and avoid relegation.

ivo6503 · Oct 24, 2007

sorry - this was for the post up above

PLTuck · Oct 24, 2007

I wouldn't say we got 5th by luck. What I would say is that relied too much on individual moments of brilliance from Berbs and Keane primarily.

ivo6503 · Oct 24, 2007

PLTuck said:
The majority of this post is pretty good. Don't agree with a few things (5th place by luck) but by and large a good viewpoint, put across well, unlike certain other posters...

Thanks for sharing your insight into Berbs. It would make sense. Jol has said before that he's sensitive, so you are right, it's up to Jol to manage him. But it is also up to Berbs to put 'a good shift in', which he hasn't done enough this season yet. I'm sure Berbs hates being in the bottom 3, but the whole squad is in the same boat and they should be pulling together, not bitching at each other and throwing strops.

I hope my posts about Berbs are not taken the wrong way. I think we should do everything possible to keep him happy, but not at the expense of the team. I think that about all our players though. Bers can't be made a special case just because he's a level above most of our players.

If he's really that sensitive, Man Utd is the last place he should want to go. He would find it very difficult to deal with the legendary hairdryer treatment from SAF.

To be honest, I've clamed down a little now. I was furious on Monday & Tuesday, now just saddened and disappointed. I just hope it's a storm in a teacup.

I'm not really defending Berbs - he plays the same way for Bulgaria and sometimes it has made me want to go down and hit him - all I'm saying is that he's that kind of a character and not much can be done about it. What usually helps is if he perceives the other players as better/more established than him (then he starts to really work hard - this happened last season and at Bayer) - but I guess this is out of the question with the current squad and how everyone is playing

He needs it to be made easy for him - the team to play well and he to be the first-choice striker. I do not expect him to contribute at all to any revival - he may score 3 tomorrow and would still behave like a child the day after and piss everyone off. Only when the team starts winning without him will he get back on track as attitude.

I'm still furious though - not at Berbs (poor but expected) but at Jol - if someone does not show commitment you don't ask him 3 times - you ground him for as long as it takes. Show some guts FFS.

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