Match Threads Man City vs Spurs - Match Thread

mark87 · Aug 18, 2019

What makes me laugh is that nothing was made of the rose handball in the CL last season where they got a penalty, that too was accidental, but now the boots on the other foot they think there's a conspiracy against them and they want the rules changed, it's pathetic.

Gravy12 · Aug 18, 2019

Just watched MOTD, Murphy is scathing about us. Knob. I know we got battered but we got a point. I’ll be amazed if many/any teams get more than that there this season

shelfmonkey · Aug 18, 2019

knowlespurs said:
Why the fuck are motd banging on about the handball , flicked it on with his hand lead to a goal ffs

Just watched MOTD, I myself can't understand why they all think the new rule is ridiculous and that Jesus' goal should've stood when most pundits/ex players etc were bemoaning the fact that Llorente's goal was allowed to stand under the same circumstances!! Blatant hypocrisy at it's finest!

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the rule change brought about because of that goal incident against City? It's a hilarious irony really!?

fletch82 · Aug 18, 2019

worcestersauce said:
But almost a yard offside when the ball was played through to deBruyne who passed to Aguero to score, the rule may well be that deBruyne kicking it meant it was a different phase of play but if so that would be because of the offside rule changes. You see what I did there. The Lamela penalty could have been given but the referee I'm sure felt it was six of one half a dozen of the other which is fair enough, we've had enough of them denied because of that.

This is how I saw it also I thought he was borderline level when it was passed to him.

What I'm struggling to fathom is why no one has even mentioned it or done the line thing to prove he was onside
In fact it's almost like it is being deliberately avoided by media (not a foil hat wearer honest guv)
In fact not even 1 uttering of he is onside /offside which I find odd

Primativ · Aug 18, 2019

We got an absolute mauling so for me the point is bitter sweet.

Fantastic result and to get a point there, imagine if that game and result was played in April instead,we'd be ecstatic.

However, I can't get away from the fact that we were so so poor and just couldn't get out. We were absolutely annihilated. SO yeah I can't get too excited really because what I said before the game was, for me, I want to see us put in a performance that indicates we are ready to challenge for the title, and I'm sorry but on the basis of yesterday we look miles away. We rode our luck massively, but it was akin to a league one side turning up to a PL side, getting battered for 90 minutes and scoring from their two shots on target. It doesn't sit well with me. I'm happy with the point and our resilience but the rest of it, deary me.

Primativ · Aug 18, 2019

Seafordian Spurs said:
Agree to an extent.

We're simply not the Spurs of recent history though. Too many key players missing yesterday and disconcerting situation with the Great Danes contract
... New guys being integrated.

City are so far ahead of us even in terms of being settled.

I doubt (can only hope!) we won't play like that on the return fixture.

Too many key players missing? Alli has been useless for ages now so he's hardly a big miss. He would be when in form but he isn't in form.

Son and Verts ok but still, they wouldn't have changed the tide of the game yesterday.

SPURSLIFE · Aug 18, 2019

buckley said:
I swear some people will not be happy until we go back in time and play like Howard Wilkinson said football should be played
Get the ball and kick it forward as hard and as quick as possible and all I can say is play like that and I won't be renewing my season ticket. Incidentally can anyone tell me when our passing at the back has cost us a goal as I struggle to remember losing a goal playing like that but I do remember that our possession at the back as led to many goals because of controlled possession and its called football not kick it quick kick it far ball.

All teams do it. City do it but after a couple of passes they are off on attack. Our problem is we go backwards and forwards while all the time the opposition is getting closer until we make a stupid pass to get out of trouble and then City are on the attack again. A couple of times Lloris kicked the ball out of touch when under pressure. It seems like a defence without any ideas on how to go forward.

WiganSpur · Aug 18, 2019

Haddock said:
So we go to Etihad and get a draw. It's the second match of the season and we're still bedding in new signings. This Spurs team as a collective were outplayed, we could have had Lionel Messi in Eriksens position and it wouldn't have changed anything.

I can't understand the amount of indignation on this board towards Eriksen. We should absolutely criticise players but the stick Eriksen gets as single individual is just so out of proportion and out of context.

It's even more ironic since it wasn't our attack that let us down last night. We took our chances brilliantly, just as we did in the CL campaign. If it's anything this match highlighted (...just as the CL matches against City) it's that our defence and deep midfield still lacks a bit of quality and tactical nuance when we come up against these elite teams.

Pochettino seemed to make out that our approach was more by design than accident but i'm really not sure. I think he was just trying to shift blame from himself. There are still mitigating factors though. City are very settled into a system and shape with most of their best players available. We won't quite have that until the end of September/October most likely.

But there can be no doubt about it, we were comprehensively outplayed. They worryingly looked a far more organised and better coached team than us. Man for man I don't think the XI we put out was a lot worse than theirs and that should have been reflected in a better display. I do wonder if Pochettino might have been a little more harsh on the players in the dressing room.

We were playing City at their best of course but I still thought our performance was not up to scratch considering.

Seafordian Spurs · Aug 18, 2019

Primativ said:
Too many key players missing? Alli has been useless for ages now so he's hardly a big miss. He would be when in form but he isn't in form.

Son and Verts ok but still, they wouldn't have changed the tide of the game yesterday.

Son who loves a goal against Dopers DC not changed the tide?

I take your points and yes Dele has been irritatingly absent from us for too long.

But part of me thinks Poch woulda taken a point away to that lot by any means possible any day of the week. It ain't beautiful but...

Job done. Next.....

John48 · Aug 18, 2019

Got lucky with Lamela's grabbing in the 1st half & our defending generally at corners was poor. They're not the biggest side, but every time they got a corner they looked dangerous.

Haddock · Aug 18, 2019

WiganSpur said:
Pochettino seemed to make out that our approach was more by design than accident but i'm really not sure. I think he was just trying to shift blame from himself. There are still mitigating factors though. City are very settled into a system and shape with most of their best players available. We won't quite have that until the end of September/October most likely.

But there can be no doubt about it, we were comprehensively outplayed. They worryingly looked a far more organised and better coached team than us. Man for man I don't think the XI we put out was a lot worse than theirs and that should have been reflected in a better display. I do wonder if Pochettino might have been a little more harsh on the players in the dressing room.

We were playing City at their best of course but I still thought our performance was not up to scratch considering.

Agreed. But our best eleven wasn't what we had available last night. I feel like we missed Jan and Son a lot. + I don't feel like a midfield of Winks, Sissoko and Ndombele is the quite there yet in terms of interplay and understanding between each other. In a couple of months I can see Lo Celso taking Sissokos spot.

Anyway, against a team like City you need to have your best ball playing CB's at the pitch to mitigate their insane press. Jan was missed. And if you're gonna beat City you more or less need a 10 out of 10 performance from every single defender.

We missed Sons goal threat and pace. We did look better when Lucas came on because he added that flair and willingness to run in the channels.

I'm confident that we'll look much better in a couple of months if we can keep a reasonable fit squad and bed in our new signings.

aliyid · Aug 18, 2019

City deserve a lot of praise, that was one of the most complete performances I’ve seen in a long time. Big problem from our side was that we allowed them to be that good by standing off too much and didn’t press in the way we normally do.

VAR - all pundits appear to be missing the main point. If it had missed Laportes arm the ball would have bounced safely to the edge of the box. The handball diverted it to Jesus who applied a great finish. So, did they gain an advantage from the handball??? Yes, yes they did.

spursfan77 · Aug 18, 2019

Just watching the motd highlights now. The defending for all the goals is horrendous by both teams. Their second, I reckon Jan cuts that cross out, his positioning is so good he would be there to put it behind for a corner.

sebo_sek · Aug 18, 2019

Primativ said:
We got an absolute mauling so for me the point is bitter sweet.

Fantastic result and to get a point there, imagine if that game and result was played in April instead,we'd be ecstatic.

However, I can't get away from the fact that we were so so poor and just couldn't get out. We were absolutely annihilated. SO yeah I can't get too excited really because what I said before the game was, for me, I want to see us put in a performance that indicates we are ready to challenge for the title, and I'm sorry but on the basis of yesterday we look miles away. We rode our luck massively, but it was akin to a league one side turning up to a PL side, getting battered for 90 minutes and scoring from their two shots on target. It doesn't sit well with me. I'm happy with the point and our resilience but the rest of it, deary me.

We were shit and got a two-goal draw, the spammers were shit and lost 5-0. That's the difference.

sebo_sek · Aug 18, 2019

John48 said:
Got lucky with Lamela's grabbing in the 1st half & our defending generally at corners was poor. They're not the biggest side, but every time they got a Pen they looked dangerous.

I May not be a football expert, but it’s quite a feat not to look dangerous from a Pen.

Styopa · Aug 18, 2019

Reading some of this stuff you’d think we were on the end of another 5-1 hammering by them. Or that we’d lost 3-0 at home to some average mid tablers. This Man City side are arguably the best footballing side in Premier League history. What were people really expecting? That we were going to go there and play them off the park with virtually the same side who last season lost to them twice up there and once at home? Or who lost 4-1 up there the season before that?

thefierycamel · Aug 18, 2019

Wonder if it was a poch directive for our fullbacks to sit so far inside of the city wingers/FBs? The amount of space that they were getting out wide was incredible. Not surprised that both goals came from out there either. You just can't give their players that much space imo

davidmatzdorf · Aug 18, 2019

worcestersauce said:
I appreciate that it was missed by the officials and would have been a goal in previous years and it's a shame for City but I genuinely don't see how anyone can say it wasn't handball. On MotD last night they were adamant that it wouldn't have been given if it had hit the defender's arm but I am pretty sure they would have shown it again a few times and argued it was a penalty but City would have appealed for it anyway and var would have given it. All in all a lot of bluster about this but ultimately var got it right.

That's the whole point of the new rule and has nothing to do with VAR, which makes the comments on MotD rather strange, not to say ignorant (I didn't see the programme).

The new rule does indeed result in a different standard being applied, depending on which team commits an accidental handball.

If the ball hits a defender's arm in the penalty box, intent is still relevant in assessing whether it is a penalty and an accidental handball should not be a penalty.

Under the new rule, if the ball hits an attacker's arm in the penalty box, prior to going into the goal, intent is not considered as a factor and accidental handball is enough to rule out the goal.

So WTF was their point? The only contribution from VAR was that the on-pitch referee didn't see the handball and the VAR did. VAR had nothing to do with the decision to disallow the goal. That was down to the new rule, which establishes different standards for attacking and defending handball in the box.

thebenjamin · Aug 18, 2019

If we'd lost it would've been 7 away defeats in a row, the most since George Graham.

Good job we didn't.

Houdini · Aug 18, 2019

Monkey boy said:
Match of the day had the possession stats as 54 - 44.

luRRka said:
Who had the other 2%?

But yeah it was much more like this percent possession, even though the majority was in our half

BBC. 74-26
Livescore. 73-27
Makes one wonder how they come up with these figures and with such a disparity what game were they watching?

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