Adrien Rabiot

Ekmek · Jan 28, 2019

mil1lion said:
Interesting from Trix. I do get the impression Poch is a lot more patient than our fans. Maybe he feels there is a lot of quality coming through so unless someone top quality becomes available there's no point bringing anyone in. They could be replaced in the team by a Skipp or a Sterling before long if they're not good enough and then we struggle to offload them.

I would be suprised if he isn't interested in Rabiot though. My only concern though would be if we did tempt him to sign, as soon as a top club shows interest he might try and force a move.

A blind man can see we need to get quality in.

LeParisien · Jan 28, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
I think my biggest difference from many on here is that I don’t believe that once the revenues really start to flow that we will see the benefits of that in terms of on the pitch quality. This is because I am ITK that ENIC are actively trying to sell the club and have been since the summer. That info / view radically skews my perspective. I suspect if the fan base knew that all the parsimony of the last few years wasn’t so we could have an amazing stadium that would then allow us to compete for the best players but instead was all just geared to the enrichment of Lewis/Levy that there would be very few BSoDL, but most live on in hope that the promised land is just around the corner.

I think you’re right - if I had those assumptions then I would view the parsimony very differently.

Poch has said several times that there’s a project and he sees eye to eye with Levy. Is he lying or naive according to you?

PhezTHFC · Jan 28, 2019

Ekmek said:
A blind man can see we need to get quality in.

Well he can't see we do as he can't see....

I will get my coat

freeeki · Jan 28, 2019

rossdapep said:
Whilst we have the HG issue I can't see Poch signing any young 'potentially' good players. He's been well and truly burnt by the GKN, N'Jie, Janssen experiences.

I don't really think he's on their level tbh

rossdapep · Jan 28, 2019

freeeki said:
I don't really think he's on their level tbh

I agree with you but that's clearly burnt Poch going for cheap foreign alternatives who haven't fully developed.

If we were cleaning up all the young British talent then I wouldn't care. But we're not even doing that anymore!!

Ekmek · Jan 28, 2019

rossdapep said:
Whilst we have the HG issue I can't see Poch signing any young 'potentially' good players. He's been well and truly burnt by the GKN, N'Jie, Janssen experiences.

Theres no comparison between Janssen, N’Koudou and Rabiot. Signing him would be like when we got Eriksen. With the difference that Rabiot has the experience of playing in PSG through there golden age.

rossdapep · Jan 28, 2019

Ekmek said:
Theres no comparison between Janssen, N’Koudou and Rabiot. Signing him would be like when we got Eriksen. With the difference that Rabiot has the experience of playing in PSG through there golden age.

I wasn't comparing them to Rabiot, more so to Tielemans and any other international player with 'potential'.

Proven players like Rabiot are going to have plenty of suitors and we are not going to be close to the top of their preferred list, so whilst we waste our time on these, others will get away. The likes of Sander Berge, Cengiz Under will be picked up by other clubs and start to show they were worth the investment. We can't simply reject all of them.

Look at how Dortmund are doing things. We should be copying their model IMO. I realise that Poch doesn't want to have players that could just take up HG spaces (GKN, N'Jie, etc) but he has to realise that not every recruitment like this is a failure. He has to trust the process a bit more and have faith that some players will actually become good.

Our MO seems to be find players who the big clubs no longer want, the opportunistic signings like Toby, Lucas, Aurier, etc, but I don't think this is the wisest approach as you are essentially waiting and relying on things to fall in your favour.

Ron Burgundy · Jan 28, 2019

Ekmek said:
Theres no comparison between Janssen, N’Koudou and Rabiot. Signing him would be like when we got Eriksen. With the difference that Rabiot has the experience of playing in PSG through there golden age.

Totally agree. Sadly Rabiot isn't going to happen.

On the broader point, tell me that Tielmans and Maddison, for less than £50m combined, aren't players that Poch could have improved. Maybe we should get Leicester's transfer team...

Haddock · Jan 28, 2019

rossdapep said:
...Our MO seems to be find players who the big clubs no longer want, the opportunistic signings like Toby, Lucas, Aurier, etc, but I don't think this is the wisest approach as you are essentially waiting and relying on things to fall in your favour.

This is so true.

WiganSpur · Jan 28, 2019

George94 said:
If the club are not going to take a ‘risk’ on a player of Tielemans talent for £20m and cry and moan that every other top talent is too expensive, then we may as well just give up in the transfer market.

Although, looks like we may have already given up...

When you see this sort of thing spouted from the club as another excuse then it all starts to make sense.

Young player from the Championship/lower leagues? Not good enough/proven enough yet.

Proven player in the top leagues? Out of our price range.

From Paul Mitchell hating us, getting played by agents, Poch being stubborn, squad places, “not wanting to spend the budget on one player”, they’re all just excuses.

The one common denominator every time is that we don’t sign anyone.

The Mourneview Ace · Jan 28, 2019

L’Equipe saying that Rabiot isn’t completely finished, but that he was unable to make a decision while grieving. Tough decision to make naturally at a hard time for the lad. His advisers might be better at looking at more than just £

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 28, 2019

The Mourneview Ace said:
L’Equipe saying that Rabiot isn’t completely finished, but that he was unable to make a decision while grieving. Tough decision to make naturally at a hard time for the lad. His advisers might be better at looking at more than just £

JJ saying it was never happening.

Japhet · Jan 28, 2019

rossdapep said:
I wasn't comparing them to Rabiot, more so to Tielemans and any other international player with 'potential'.

Proven players like Rabiot are going to have plenty of suitors and we are not going to be close to the top of their preferred list, so whilst we waste our time on these, others will get away. The likes of Sander Berge, Cengiz Under will be picked up by other clubs and start to show they were worth the investment. We can't simply reject all of them.

Look at how Dortmund are doing things. We should be copying their model IMO. I realise that Poch doesn't want to have players that could just take up HG spaces (GKN, N'Jie, etc) but he has to realise that not every recruitment like this is a failure. He has to trust the process a bit more and have faith that some players will actually become good.

Our MO seems to be find players who the big clubs no longer want, the opportunistic signings like Toby, Lucas, Aurier, etc, but I don't think this is the wisest approach as you are essentially waiting and relying on things to fall in your favour.

The only thing I'd like to point out about Rabiot is that he was playing in a PSG team that was utterly dominant in the French League. I'm not saying he wouldn't do well in the EPL. but blitzing the French League every year with PSG doesn't necessarily make him 'proven'. Chelsea have been past masters at buying players from teams that blow away their opponents regularly, only to find out that those players aren't really that good.

yido_number1 · Jan 28, 2019

Trees said:
Please quote me a young up and coming British player that we have bought since Alli ? Other than Foyth, who have we bought ? Sanchez is a good young player, but without being knee jerk, with Verts or Toby alongside him, he looks half the defender.

You never mentioned "British" just "buying young up and coming players again" which Sanchez and Foyth represent. Players like Alli and Dier pushed us into the top four not the top 6. But really the investments we made to get where we are were in players like Jan, Toby, Eriksen, Lloris, Dembele and Son. You could argue the emergence of Winks, Skipp and obviously Kane have filled some of the English slots we were buying before. We quite publicly tried to sign a young up and coming English player in the summer in Grealish and obviously have eyes for Sessegnon and others this year.

I think the big difference between now and when we bought the likes of Huddlestone, Walker, Rose Naughton etc is that people have seen what we did at low cost and the prices have sky rocketed. There is very little value to be had in picking up young English players. We obviously need them for the HG content but it isn't easy any more.

mil1lion · Jan 28, 2019

Ekmek said:
A blind man can see we need to get quality in.

Well that is exactly the issue. We do need 'quality' to improve what we have. So you can be sure the targets Poch has is of a high quality. It just seems that the players are either not interested in us and looking for a bigger move instead (like De Jong did and maybe Rabiot is the same) or just too expensive. A lot of our fans seem to just want signings but what I'm saying is there's no point getting another Nkoudou/Janssen. I think that's where the reluctance of Poch comes in because he has these players still on the books that we can't shift. Rather than signing players of that level he may as well develop the academy players.

The only players we've been linked with that I would say are good enough seem unlikely (Werner, Rabiot, Isco). We're stuck between being too good to make risky signings but not having the pulling power and money for the top players we need. Developing them from a young age is probably our best option.

MB31spurs · Jan 28, 2019

We seem to be just stuck in a loop..... something has to change to give a different (positive) outcome

SpartanSpur · Jan 28, 2019

mil1lion said:
Well that is exactly the issue. We do need 'quality' to improve what we have. So you can be sure the targets Poch has is of a high quality. It just seems that the players are either not interested in us and looking for a bigger move instead (like De Jong did and maybe Rabiot is the same) or just too expensive. A lot of our fans seem to just want signings but what I'm saying is there's no point getting another Nkoudou/Janssen. I think that's where the reluctance of Poch comes in because he has these players still on the books that we can't shift. Rather than signing players of that level he may as well develop the academy players.

The only players we've been linked with that I would say are good enough seem unlikely (Werner, Rabiot, Isco). We're stuck between being too good to make risky signings but not having the pulling power and money for the top players we need. Developing them from a young age is probably our best option.

What if we get another Dier or Dele or Foyth? Not every signing is a guaranteed disaster. There must be some middle ground because it seems we are never going to sign a player under the current parameters unless we get very lucky.

hutchiniho · Jan 28, 2019

We’re not high profile enough to attract Rabiot/de jong/Werner/de ligt

But then we’re too strong for buying and playing Maddison/Brooks.

We’ve clearly fallen into transfer no mans land.

Would have loved to see Brooks and Maddison playing for us yesterday as understudies to Dele and Eriksen. Still think this is the way to go for us. Good depth and injury replacements and if the worst happens and an Eriksen does move on a ready and waiting heir apparent.

I guess convincing them to play understudy with us rather than starting for afcb or lei is the problem though.

Tricky! I think our position right no should be to poach the best players from the non top 6 prem teams.
And get our scouts to earn their keep of course.

spursfan77 · Jan 28, 2019

Not looking positive on this now is it. Oh well. Doubt we will get anyone now, this was the only one thats been in the media all window,.

knowlespurs · Jan 28, 2019

We seem to be just stuck in a loop..... something has to change to give a different (positive) outcome

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