Adrien Rabiot

[SpartanSpur]

Money talks!! When it comes to players they have a short career and are not guaranteed anything once they retire. So 95% of the time a player in Rabiot's position is going to go where he can get the most money. He might spout about Spurs being beneath his level etc etc but if we were offering Ozil type wages he would probably come.

Now you might say he can get good money at PSG but the spanner in the works is his Mum/his agents/his attitude/insert here any reason. On paper Spurs is an extremely attractive club..Stadium/Training Ground/Cheese Room etc etc.If we pay the money we get the player. Either you are happy we are not paying the kind of wages that other top clubs do so we "don't do a Leeds" or you are crying out for the structure to change so we can start to attract top talent.

I am all for a well run club but Spurs are about emotion for me and once in a while I would love us to go all in and see what happens. Rabiot isn't the be all and end all but he would be a signing to get the emotions going.

Exactly. Drop an extra £10-15m on the agent/mum's lap than is currently being offered and I bet she's already packing his bags for him. Irresponsible? Maybe, but he's already way below market value.

I appreciate things are not that simple in the real world, and I doubt Poch wants mercenaries, but I'd wager strongly that if we overpaid on certain targets then a lot of the excuses/bad luck we seem to have on transfers would magically go away.

 

[Japhet]

The problem is the elite are also decent bargains too, making us even less likely to get one. Juve and Bayern especially seem to be all over the low contract market.

It's gonna have to be down to scouting, or we consider taking some older heads to plug some gaps despite low resell value.

They are, but then they're paying Ramsey 300k. 300K FFS.

 

[Nebby]

And the ambitious board?

Not particularly. He'll play for an elite team in any one of five leagues. The PL is of immense attraction due to the wages generated by TV money. Of the elite teams in the PL we pay, by far, the lowest wages. We will be his sixth choice here. He would only come if desperate for a move and none of the others want him.

 

[allatsea]

They are, but then they're paying Ramsey 300k. 300K FFS.

That is sickening. He is a good player but no where near top class yet he will be earning that much. Football has no shame.

 

[daryl hannah]

That is sickening. He is a good player but no where near top class yet he will be earning that much. Football has no shame.

I don't think Rooney at his peak contract deal was earning even that!

 

[mil1lion]

No we have no one else working for the club who could be involved in transfer discussions.

Oh I know that, but it's not like we have a technical director anymore. So who is it making things happen now?

 

[dtxspurs]

Oh I know that, but it's not like we have a technical director anymore. So who is it making things happen now?

This is my problem with the whole idea of "Poch is holding things up"... Is Poch in the reason we can't sell deadwood too? Because no one is getting jack shit done in that department.

 

[double0]

Is it clear - it's clear that those two categories of player are proving hard for us to buy. But, while I appreciate the situation is difficult, there are a few things that I think are very clear:

1) We are not the first, or only team to be in this situation. Others have been here and succeeded (and failed) before
2) Those are not the only categories of player that would improve our squad, or first team
3) Regardless of the difficulty, we are not buying anyone...at all

We're going backwards. It's very clear.

Before, while others improved, we at least kept the squad together. That's now changing. Others are continuing to improve, while our squad is weakening.

We might get in the top 4 this year - stress, might. But seriously, I just can't see this lasting. This is sh*t right now

We’ve had extensive injuries to key players, we had a lot of players in the latter stages of the world cup, we didn’t really have a full preseason, we’re playing at Wembley. Our main targets chose other clubs ie Ajax players Rabiot

 

[joelstinton14]

I think my stance has changed on this recently.

Especially given @am_yisrael_chai 's info a couple of pages back about ENIC wanting to sell the club.

I just want an owner like the other clubs in the Top 4/6 have.
One that isn't afraid to throw some fucking moolah around every now and again.

We are literally standing still. Treading water. It's painful.

I stated in another thread a while back that something doesn't feel right, and I stand by that.

We'll have a nice stadium to play in, but, unless ENIC/Lewis stance DRASTICALLY changes, no one decent to put on the pitch.

It's all very odd. We have to be successful to command the sorts of figures I expect us to be valued at by our current owners.
If they neglect the playing staff, which they seem to be, we aren't going to be successful.

God, I bet it feels a bit stale going to training every day at the min...

I don't think you really want that. Do people really want to throw everything we have built in the last 15 years under a bus so we can be owned by a nation sate or simply be someones play toy?

 

[Jaddas]

Back to Rabiot.

Was listening to Talksport (I know) and they had one of their European correspondents who does the round up of the European league action.

He was asked about Rabiot and said that it seems strange that he isn't interested in Tottenham, considering there doesn't seem to be much other interest. He thinks there is no other public interest because Rabiot has already signed a pre-contract with another club who he believes to be Barca.

Makes sense to me as Barca do have a bit of an aging team with Busquests, Vidal and Rakitic over 30. Even with De Jong, they probably have space for Rabiot and he's on a free, albeit with a signing on fee and wages. Also, Barca weren't happy with how PSG bought Neymar so this gives them a bit of retribution as PSG lose out on a fee.

This is why I think JJ has said it was never on as he had his sights set on Barca.

 

[pffft]

I don't think you really want that. Do people really want to throw everything we have built in the last 15 years under a bus so we can be owned by a nation sate or simply be someones play toy?

I care very much about who ENIC sell to. If they sell to someone with blood on their hands like certain other clubs have, then I'm walking away from football for good. I'm actually ok with it being a playtoy though- if I had a couple of billion pounds lying around, buying Spurs and having fun with it is exactly what I'd be doing, and I wouldn't be wasting the infrastructure that's been built while I did it.

 

[allatsea]

Back to Rabiot.

Was listening to Talksport (I know) and they had one of their European correspondents who does the round up of the European league action.

He was asked about Rabiot and said that it seems strange that he isn't interested in Tottenham, considering there doesn't seem to be much other interest. He thinks there is no other public interest because Rabiot has already signed a pre-contract with another club who he believes to be Barca.

Makes sense to me as Barca do have a bit of an aging team with Busquests, Vidal and Rakitic over 30. Even with De Jong, they probably have space for Rabiot and he's on a free, albeit with a signing on fee and wages. Also, Barca weren't happy with how PSG bought Neymar so this gives them a bit of retribution as PSG lose out on a fee.

This is why I think JJ has said it was never on as he had his sights set on Barca.

He is allowed to sign a pre-contract with Barca so there is no need to keep it secret if there is such a deal.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He is allowed to sign a pre-contract with Barca so there is no need to keep it secret if there is such a deal.

Must be a smoke screen then...we haven't had one of them in a while...

 

[joelstinton14]

I care very much about who ENIC sell to. If they sell to someone with blood on their hands like certain other clubs have, then I'm walking away from football for good. I'm actually ok with it being a playtoy though- if I had a couple of billion pounds lying around, buying Spurs and having fun with it is exactly what I'd be doing, and I wouldn't be wasting the infrastructure that's been built while I did it.

I can see the appeal in it for sure. After all we just want to see success. But i'm wary of that. Just anecdotal, but I know a couple of people that have supported chelsea, Utd etc, and whist they still check to see how they are doing, they've moved on to supporting local lower league clubs instead. They said a part of the soul of the club had disappeared or they couldn't identify in the same way as they did once before. Also anecotdal, they say they respect spurs for not following the trend and 'earning their spurs'. Just some food for thought!

 

[spuradik]

We've known all along that ENIC were building the club up in order to make a big profit on a future sale. The stadium was always going to be the final piece in that particular puzzle. As soon as that was nearly ready, ENIC were going to be looking for buyers. You really don't need to have been ITK on that to know it. They are an investment company- it even says so right in their name!

The fact is though, that the club is in a much better position thanks to Lewis/Levy/ENIC than it was before they took over. When they sell, it's the new owners who will (hopefully) be investing in the team- there will be nowhere else that needs working on.

In the meantime, anyone who thinks Spurs under ENIC were ever going to spend money on transfers that hasn't been brought in through sales either hasn't been watching, or doesn't understand what they have been seeing.

This is why I am perfectly happy with the way Poch works and the lack of signings coming in. Get the ones he wants or don't get anybody. ENIC's time is coming to an end, and now we just have to hope that they sell to someone who genuinely cares about the club. I don't know how people aren't seeing it, it's been perfectly clear to me for several years what has been happening and what the plan was, and I'm in the know about nothing.

The groundwork for turning Spurs into genuine contenders has pretty much been done. Unless they sell to someone who has no interest in pushing the club on, the future of the club is bright. It was always the plan for it to be this way, and yes, ENIC/Levy/Lewis are looking to make a huge profit from the work they've done, but let's not for one second pretend that the work that's been done hasn't put the club into a great position for the future.

It's the job of the next owners to bring in the best players and compete for the trophies. ENIC were never about that. It was always about the future, not the present. ENIC are in their endgame now, and that future is nearly upon us. A little bit of patience and a little bit of hope that we get the right new owners is really all that's required.

I'm neither BSoDL nor the opposite- I am grateful for the good things he has done for the club, and disappointed in his mistakes. But the club is definitely in a much better position in every single aspect than it was when he took over as chairman. The promised land might be just round the corner, or it might not, but ENIC were never going to be the owners to take us to it. They were always going to be the owners that took us to the border and then handed the club on to the owners whose job it will be to actually take us over that border.

I agree with this 100%, but I do feel that the amount that ENIC is demanding, in the range of 1.2 - 1.5 billion, is too much for most buyers. I honestly don't see any buyer out there willing to pay that much. In a way we're too big to sell. Now if our name happened to be Manchester United, then I could see that happening, but we just don't have that profile.

My fear is that, until such time as ENIC do get a buyer willing to pay the asking price, we may well be in a state of stasis, buying the odd championship player or two any maybe some bargain buys. From ENIC's perspective, they'll be happy to wait it out, since the Stadium and any associated marketing/sponsorship agreements will generate enough profits for them to not budge from their asking price.

 

[TorontoYid]

This is my problem with the whole idea of "Poch is holding things up"... Is Poch in the reason we can't sell deadwood too? Because no one is getting jack shit done in that department.

He is probably extremely reluctant to let the club sell anyone without first buying, given how little depth we have in some positions.

 

[chinaman]

I care very much about who ENIC sell to. If they sell to someone with blood on their hands like certain other clubs have, then I'm walking away from football for good. I'm actually ok with it being a playtoy though- if I had a couple of billion pounds lying around, buying Spurs and having fun with it is exactly what I'd be doing, and I wouldn't be wasting the infrastructure that's been built while I did it.

At one time, Mr. Bone Saw was said to be interested in buying a team in the PL. Just make sure to protest like hell if Enic should ever contemplate selling to him.

 

[ernie78]

In a way we're too big to sell

This is my concern; too big to sell but not in a position to add quality to the squad so stuck in limbo until we fall back down the table

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot
coz you just ain't signing,
why dont we give it a rest?,
you got more Rabiot than Paris,
it's time we got it off our chest,
now you is just the kinda player to break my heart in two,
We knew right off when we first got a rumour or two,
but how was we to know we'd sign your muvver too?,
with her incessant talking,
She's becoming a pest

Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot
Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot

 

[dtxspurs]

Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot
coz you just ain't signing,
why dont we give it a rest?,
you got more Rabiot than Paris,
it's time we got it off our chest,
now you is just the kinda player to break my heart in two,
We knew right off when we first got a rumour or two,
but how was we to know we'd sign your muvver too?,
with her incessant talking,
She's becoming a pest

Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot
Rabiot, Rabiot, Rabiot

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