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scat1620

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The quotes from Poch about not thinking KWP is ready yet show up the sale of Walker as possibly the poorest bit of transfer business we have done since the Berbatov-for-Campbell deal in 2008. I wasn't in favour of allowing Walker to leave in the first place, but with Poch effectively saying that he doesn't consider KWP as proper backup for Trippier, this has gone from 'less-than-ideal' to 'absolute clownshoes' in no time at all.

As @St José Dominguez quite rightly pointed out earlier in this thread, the worst aspect is that Poch et al will have known for some time that Walker was going, and also known for some time that they didn't trust KWP, leaving Trippier as our only specialised RB option. Getting caught out by sod's law with Trippier's injury would just be unlucky if it wasn't for the fact that our vulnerability in that RB spot couldn't have been predicted a long way in advance... as it is, it just looks like a totally self-inflicted faceplant right now.
 

shelfboy68

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The quotes from Poch about not thinking KWP is ready yet show up the sale of Walker as possibly the poorest bit of transfer business we have done since the Berbatov-for-Campbell deal in 2008. I wasn't in favour of allowing Walker to leave in the first place, but with Poch effectively saying that he doesn't consider KWP as proper backup for Trippier, this has gone from 'less-than-ideal' to 'absolute clownshoes' in no time at all.

As @St José Dominguez quite rightly pointed out earlier in this thread, the worst aspect is that Poch et al will have known for some time that Walker was going, and also known for some time that they didn't trust KWP, leaving Trippier as our only specialised RB option. Getting caught out by sod's law with Trippier's injury would just be unlucky if it wasn't for the fact that our vulnerability in that RB spot couldn't have been predicted a long way in advance... as it is, it just looks like a totally self-inflicted faceplant right now.
Good job it happened now and not after the window closed it gives us nearly a month to find someone.
 

Dharmabum

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Some/many Spurs fans are so obsessed with the concept Sissoko being shit that even when he - on rare occasions - plays well their minds are so clouded by their pre-concept of him being shit that they still think he played shit. And that's a shit mentallity.
No, I am not a fan of him either based on last season's performance (particularly considering his price) but he's still a Spurs players and deserve support when he merits it.
 
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Dharmabum

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The quotes from Poch about not thinking KWP is ready yet show up the sale of Walker as possibly the poorest bit of transfer business we have done since the Berbatov-for-Campbell deal in 2008. I wasn't in favour of allowing Walker to leave in the first place, but with Poch effectively saying that he doesn't consider KWP as proper backup for Trippier, this has gone from 'less-than-ideal' to 'absolute clownshoes' in no time at all.

As @St José Dominguez quite rightly pointed out earlier in this thread, the worst aspect is that Poch et al will have known for some time that Walker was going, and also known for some time that they didn't trust KWP, leaving Trippier as our only specialised RB option. Getting caught out by sod's law with Trippier's injury would just be unlucky if it wasn't for the fact that our vulnerability in that RB spot couldn't have been predicted a long way in advance... as it is, it just looks like a totally self-inflicted faceplant right now.

I would be surprised if there were not things going on behind the scene we don't know us which "forced" the move.
Berba was sold because he wanted out and was ready to force a move to ManU - not because Spurs were keen on Frazier. That Levy waited to the last day of the window - mainly because he wanted to sell Berba to ManC who were willing to pay more than ManU - is another story.
 
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gusrowe

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Some/many Spurs fans are so obsessed with the concept that Sissoko is shit that even when he - on rare occasions - plays well their minds are so clouded by their pre-concept of him being that they still think he played shit. And that's a shit mentallity.
No, I am not a fan of him either based on last season's performance (particularly considering his price) but he's still a Spurs players and deserve support when he merits it.
MOM in my opinion. Unlucky not to score.Just wish he played like this last season. Still think Poch will keep him.
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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I'm sure Poch and the board felt with a bit of luck that they could bide their time getting the right man at the right price for the RB spot. If that means a few extra £££'s for other positions, why not?

Unfortunately it may not have worked out as planned but Dier can hold the fort for a couple of weeks, hopefully Wanyama isn't too far from fitness.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Hey now, what now.

Depends, could be quick, could be slow...

Most damage needs good Oxygen (key to bringing in recovery nutrients), Calcium (to patch the damage), and Magnesium to prevent Lymph acidity/stagnation, if plentiful recovery nutrition then it should be quick, if area already has a metabolic residue backup then issues can become like Rose or Lamela IMO.

I'm staying out of this stuff this season though, if I can.

DaSpurs and Khilari are the trained Medical guys though, I believe.

You haven't mentioned a magic sponge once...

Pffft, charlatan.
 

Blake Griffin

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Some/many Spurs fans are so obsessed with the concept that Sissoko is shit that even when he - on rare occasions - plays well their minds are so clouded by their pre-concept of him being that they still think he played shit. And that's a shit mentallity.
No, I am not a fan of him either based on last season's performance (particularly considering his price) but he's still a Spurs players and deserve support when he merits it.

i'll support him but i think fans have set the bar so low for him now that as long as he manages to stay upright and do the absolute basics then he's considered to have had a good game.
 

Hazardousman

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The quotes from Poch about not thinking KWP is ready yet show up the sale of Walker as possibly the poorest bit of transfer business we have done since the Berbatov-for-Campbell deal in 2008. I wasn't in favour of allowing Walker to leave in the first place, but with Poch effectively saying that he doesn't consider KWP as proper backup for Trippier, this has gone from 'less-than-ideal' to 'absolute clownshoes' in no time at all.

As @St José Dominguez quite rightly pointed out earlier in this thread, the worst aspect is that Poch et al will have known for some time that Walker was going, and also known for some time that they didn't trust KWP, leaving Trippier as our only specialised RB option. Getting caught out by sod's law with Trippier's injury would just be unlucky if it wasn't for the fact that our vulnerability in that RB spot couldn't have been predicted a long way in advance... as it is, it just looks like a totally self-inflicted faceplant right now.

This is the truth, we are standing still when we are in a real position to win the league, Levy seems to think the new stadium will be enough to keep us challenging, that's not how it works, we can't afford to stand still or we risk throwing all the hard work away, our own manager, the guy people apparently love on this board, is telling us we need signings and yet people are still making excuses, what happened to trust in Poch?

We knew in advance we were coming into the season with one RB, we should have replaced before or right after we sold Walker, right now every club knows we will be desperate for a RB, the prices are going to hike up and Levy is thinking last minute deal, which will inevitability cost us points unless we are very lucky.

It's clear KWP has potential but he isn't ready and moving Dier to RB isn't the solution, it just shows to the supporters and the players that we are more concerned with penny pinching than we are with making smart transfer decisions that will show ambition and provide competition for players who are getting too comfortable.

How many times can this happen before we notice it's a pattern and people stop making excuses for our shit transfer policy? Sissoko is a prime example of why buying late and being unprepared does not work.r
 

cliff jones

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The friendlies haven't told us anything that we didn't know already.

We knew our strengths, and Walkers sale created a weakness. As you were otherwise, except for other teams on the surface at least adding quality and depth which is likely to make it more difficult for us. This could be felt more in the cups in where their rotation options are better than ours.

Glad to see Irrelevant sports taking a hiding at the gate yesterday. Fook em.
 

Woodyy

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i'll support him but i think fans have set the bar so low for him now that as long as he manages to stay upright and do the absolute basics then he's considered to have had a good game.

That is actually true as much as it's funny. I find myself happy with Sissoko if he just passes the ball to one of our players or doesn't fall over when dribbling. He did have some genuinely good moments yesterday though, he didn't look out of his depth against the CL finalists near strongest team. He probably offers more defensive protection down that right side than the rest of our AM's do as well.

If he does stick around then I'd expect him to start against Newcastle unless Son makes some kind of dramatic recovery. Hopefully he'll have extra motivation against his old team. Can't see much game time for him later in the season though if we do sign Barkley or another AM. He'll have Eriksen, Alli, Son, Lamela & Barkley all ahead of him. Given 3-4-2-1 might be our preferred formation that leaves him nowhere near that team.
 

Lemon

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Ankle sprains are graded/classified (I-III) by the severity of the underlying ligament damage (ranging from nil injury to full rupture), degree of swelling/bruising & pain on weight bearing...

Generally ankle sprains will be treated with conservative management (protective boot/rest/ice/compression & elevation) for a minimum of 1-2wks.

If you are unable to weight bear an X-ray will be performed to exclude underlying fractures/avulsion (fragments of bones pulling away from the attachment sites of the ligament) or severe syndesmosis injuries (disaster zones...lets ignore this!)

At an elite level they'll scan earlier than the general public (either USS or top level will get an MRI) to accurately assess the underlying degree of ligament damage.

Essential aim of ankle sprains is to manage conservatively & evidence shows that once the initial swelling & pain has subsided, early weight bearing & functional rehabilitation allows the quickest return to playing.

However any ongoing pain/instability or bony involvement will ultimately progress to operative management & then obviously recovery times are increased...

Generally what I tell my patients is:
- Grade I = 1-2weeks, II = 2-4weeks, III = anything up to 3-4months (bearing in mind this is a non-elite athlete group who don't have access to daily physiotherapy, strength & conditioning coaches etc...)

I haven't seen the injury so can't comment on it, but the use of a protective boot is not uncommon, particularly in the early phases. Hopefully we are looking at low Grade sprain...

NB my credentials are a Emergency Department Registrar with a degree in Sports Medicine & dabble a bit in being a sideline/Club doctor for semi professional teams over here in Australia. Also worked for a while in Orthopaedics...

Happy to answer any questions about injuries/medical issues etc that crop up over the course of the season...

COYS

Nice.

SlumDilla (Sports science?) and Shea (physiotherapist) are both big into Training and/or Recovery. Also Darrkespur some sort of scientist, though not forthcoming about his field.

Question: Are Sun Ancon Chi Machines used over there? I know they are a licensed medical device in Australia, just wondered what their reputation is like.



My interest is in the nutrition/ionisation/pH side mainly, nothing formal though.
 
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Led's Zeppelin

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May 28, 2013
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Ankle sprains are graded/classified (I-III) by the severity of the underlying ligament damage (ranging from nil injury to full rupture), degree of swelling/bruising & pain on weight bearing...

Generally ankle sprains will be treated with conservative management (protective boot/rest/ice/compression & elevation) for a minimum of 1-2wks.

If you are unable to weight bear an X-ray will be performed to exclude underlying fractures/avulsion (fragments of bones pulling away from the attachment sites of the ligament) or severe syndesmosis injuries (disaster zones...lets ignore this!)

At an elite level they'll scan earlier than the general public (either USS or top level will get an MRI) to accurately assess the underlying degree of ligament damage.

Essential aim of ankle sprains is to manage conservatively & evidence shows that once the initial swelling & pain has subsided, early weight bearing & functional rehabilitation allows the quickest return to playing.

However any ongoing pain/instability or bony involvement will ultimately progress to operative management & then obviously recovery times are increased...

Generally what I tell my patients is:
- Grade I = 1-2weeks, II = 2-4weeks, III = anything up to 3-4months (bearing in mind this is a non-elite athlete group who don't have access to daily physiotherapy, strength & conditioning coaches etc...)

I haven't seen the injury so can't comment on it, but the use of a protective boot is not uncommon, particularly in the early phases. Hopefully we are looking at low Grade sprain...

NB my credentials are a Emergency Department Registrar with a degree in Sports Medicine & dabble a bit in being a sideline/Club doctor for semi professional teams over here in Australia. Also worked for a while in Orthopaedics...

Happy to answer any questions about injuries/medical issues etc that crop up over the course of the season...

COYS

Thank you very much for taking the time to post such an informative message in language I can understand!. Very much appreciated.
 

stuffies

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Watched the game last night and was really impressed,we looked much better all round in movement pressing passing ....compared to the last few games.
And hands up have to say sissoko had a pretty good game and if that level was kept up by him I'd keep him in the squad.
 

coys200

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Not saying we don't need signings ,but what people don't take into account is progress by player progression as we saw last year.The only signing to feature last season was wanyama.Yes I think he improved us.But the main improvement came from already established players.Its crazy to think players like Kane dele eriksen Son aren't even in their prime years yet.They should all improve again this season.If we can add 2 or 3 just for depth I'd expect to see us push on again this season.I quite like that once again we've been written off.I feel some may be very surprised.
 

shelfboy68

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Watched the game last night and was really impressed,we looked much better all round in movement pressing passing ....compared to the last few games.
And hands up have to say sissoko had a pretty good game and if that level was kept up by him I'd keep him in the squad.
He did play well but was he playing well for a move away that's the thing.
 

rupsmith

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Yet again, Trippier has laid on an unplayable goal-scoring cross, delivered on the run, with one touch.

How long before people start invoking Beckham and Trippier's value starts to go nuts?

Seriously: his crossing ability is in that class. How long before people start to notice? Including people here?

If he keeps doing that, with Kane on the end, he's going to end up with 20 assists.

I really agree. Big fan of Trippiers. Prefer him to the raw athlete that Walker used to be. Posted this a while ago.

His technical ability is superior to Walker's. I would much rather have him as an attacking creative outlet for middle to lower level teams - specially on smaller pitches. It is only on wide pitches and against very very quick opposition that I think he may be challenged. Not sure. Think I will keep Walks for Chelsea. Trippier for a lot of the other teams.
 
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