New Stadium Details And Discussions

spids · May 24, 2017

The main driver for the new stadium is increased revenue. Making the West Stand bigger by 10k would have been incredibly short sighted. With a purpose built new stadium that can host events 365 days of the year and also potential a NFL franchise we can easily become the cub with the biggest stadium related revenue in the country, if not the world. Imagine the naming rights if we hosted a CL regular football club AND a NFL franchise?

TottenhamMattSpur · May 24, 2017

Is there a plan to expand if need be?

Lilbaz · May 24, 2017

TottenhamMattSpur said:
Is there a plan to expand if need be?

As far as i'm aware no. But there were no plans for city or liverpool grounds to expand. So who knows?

SandroClegane · May 24, 2017

TottenhamMattSpur said:
Is there a plan to expand if need be?

It probably wouldn't be good for the club to expand past 60k even if the demand is there. It's better to have a heavy secondary demand for tickets than building too big and then losing that demand.

Even if we're at a point where a ST waiting list is over 20k, it's still not a great idea to expand.

Lilbaz · May 24, 2017

SandroClegane said:
It probably wouldn't be good for the club to expand past 60k even if the demand is there. It's better to have a heavy secondary demand for tickets than building too big and then losing that demand.

Even if we're at a point where a ST waiting list is over 20k, it's still not a great idea to expand.

It would be good for those 20k on the waiting list. Who's to say that in 10/15 years we might not have a heavy secondary demand for tickets? Crossrail 2 will be open by then with a station at northumberland park opening us up to easy travel across london. Hopefully we will also be more successful by then. Also we can increase demand by reducing ticket prices which would be a good thing.

Never say never.

Saoirse · May 24, 2017

Most likely 'expansion' would be if safe standing was legalised and we were eventually given permission to increase the capacity of said standing section.

Hoopspur · May 24, 2017

TottenhamMattSpur said:
Is there a plan to expand if need be?

It has been designed to be 'future proof'. Not sure what that means but there must be the possibility imo.

Nerine · May 24, 2017

Was gonna say, surely there will be a way to expand a build like this? I would have thought that would be one of the design directives: "what if we need to make it bigger in the future.."

hillbilly · May 25, 2017

Presently, haringey council would not allow expansion due to concerns about too many people coming in and going out of the area on match days and the current transport infrastructure being inadequate. This could change in the future but it would take a fair bit of work and money. I'm not sure how many people Crossrail 2 will be designed to move in and out but i can't imagine it would be sufficient.

Lilbaz · May 25, 2017

hillbilly said:
Presently, haringey council would not allow expansion due to concerns about too many people coming in and going out of the area on match days and the current transport infrastructure being inadequate. This could change in the future but it would take a fair bit of work and money. I'm not sure how many people Crossrail 2 will be designed to move in and out but i can't imagine it would be sufficient.

If it is the same as cross rail it would be able to move 48k people an hour (24k in each direction). Plus the stations are designed for extra carriages if needed.

Saoirse · May 25, 2017

hillbilly said:
Presently, haringey council would not allow expansion due to concerns about too many people coming in and going out of the area on match days and the current transport infrastructure being inadequate. This could change in the future but it would take a fair bit of work and money. I'm not sure how many people Crossrail 2 will be designed to move in and out but i can't imagine it would be sufficient.

Crossrail 2 would make a big difference. First problem though is that it's a long way off. Second is that it might not happen at all - it was in the Tory Manifesto for 2015 but is suspiciously absent this time (despite other ongoing projects like HS2 being confirmed in it), prompting speculation they might be planning to bin it if they win again.

Lilbaz · May 25, 2017

Saoirse said:
Crossrail 2 would make a big difference. First problem though is that it's a long way off. Second is that it might not happen at all - it was in the Tory Manifesto for 2015 but is suspiciously absent this time (despite other ongoing projects like HS2 being confirmed in it), prompting speculation they might be planning to bin it if they win again.

Doubt it. It's needed and the tories will be looking at infrastructure projects post brexit.

Saoirse · May 25, 2017

Lilbaz said:
Doubt it. It's needed and the tories will be looking at infrastructure projects post brexit.

Totally agree and hope you're right, but we'll have to see. Politically it would be understandable for them to write off London (which now seems to be broadly voting Labour no matter what) and look towards infrastructure in the midlands and north where they're growing instead.

Lilbaz · May 25, 2017

Saoirse said:
Totally agree and hope you're right, but we'll have to see. Politically it would be understandable for them to write off London (which now seems to be broadly voting Labour no matter what) and look towards infrastructure in the midlands and north where they're growing instead.

It's not just about votes though. Infrastructure in london gives far greater economic rewards than investment elsewhere. A lot of the money will come from buisiness anyway and also if they did it right they could use it too build plenty of new housing and offices. If they followed hong kongs mode they could lease it to subsidise travel.

Saoirse · May 25, 2017

Lilbaz said:
It's not just about votes though. Infrastructure in london gives far greater economic rewards than investment elsewhere. A lot of the money will come from buisiness anyway and also if they did it right they could use it too build plenty of new housing and offices. If they followed hong kongs mode they could lease it to subsidise travel.

True, hence why I hope they go ahead with it, but those economic rewards come long after the current crop are out of government. You'll have to excuse my cynicism but I don't exactly trust them to put the long-term national interest ahead of chasing votes at the next election.

Always Offside · May 25, 2017

Saoirse said:
Most likely 'expansion' would be if safe standing was legalised and we were eventually given permission to increase the capacity of said standing section.

If the old WHL used to hold over 100k standing back in the good old days, how many could fit standing in the new model, 150k+ ?

spids · May 25, 2017

Safe standing basically means taking out the seats and allowing the people who would have been sat in those seats to stand. I would not expect much increase in capacity, just an increase in atmosphere.

nicdic · May 25, 2017

If safe standing is introduced, the South Stand is ready and raring to go, and the capacity would increase by about 7,000 / 8,000 if I remember right. The other stands aren't being built with safe standing as a consideration.

hillbilly · May 25, 2017

Lilbaz said:
If it is the same as cross rail it would be able to move 48k people an hour (24k in each direction). Plus the stations are designed for extra carriages if needed.

But its not just the trains to get people in and out of the area, its all the extra people walking on the pavements and, unavoidably, in the roads, going WHL, Seven Sisters, Northumberland Park etc. Just think about the walk from Wembley to the tube station; there is a dedicated and very wide walkway to the tube station and it is still jam packed.

Hoopspur · May 25, 2017

Safe standing provides circa 3 standing spaces for every 2 seats (based on the German rail system). I've read about it maybe a year ago online somewhere.

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