New Stadium Details And Discussions
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Was going to say that Detroit might have a problem with the London Lions. would be nailed down that the Jags will be the team IF it happens. Really do not see the scheduling to be a big problem, they would do blocks of home games for the London franchise.
Really don't believe we would go through with improved facilities for the NFL without a very strong indication of a franchise in the near future. Also believe Under Armor are going to be a big part of future advertising, they are huge in NFL.
Really don't believe we would go through with improved facilities for the NFL without a very strong indication of a franchise in the near future. Also believe Under Armor are going to be a big part of future advertising, they are huge in NFL.
Misfit
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Yes. I can see that train of thought. Certainly the ten yr deal will bring in moolah in the meantime and clearly someone somewhere wants something to happen wrt London and NFL in the future but there can't be guarantees. I mean, just think of wrangling a closed league like the NFL would have to do to operate in the EU with their employment laws etc. Even with all the best will in the world there are huge hurdles to overcome. From the league itself, the owners and finally the various EU and other international hurdles. If everything was signed, sealed and delivered ten years would be optimistic. As it stands, we're looking at a fair while longer than that if something is to eventually happen, imo.
I think we've done this for the next decade and if something else happens we're the only game in town. If it doesn't then all we have to do is convert the NFL facilities for other uses and having a retractable pitch isn't a bad thing. In fact for the club to maximise income from the stadium while not potentially ruining the football pitch, it's vital. Say we want to host concerts in the future? The pitch will be protected from all the audience that would otherwise be separated from the hallowed turf by temporary measures.
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This is Levy were talking about. He couldnt negotiate a deal with a company that makes kebab machines.
I think he is being used by the NFL to gauge the desire of an NFL franchise and I'm pretty sure the conclusion will be negative. It's all well and good having some showpiece one offs at Wembley where the fans get to air their Miami Dolphin shirts to see the New York Jets v Green Bay fudge packers or whatever other shirt they got for Christmas But there isn't a desperate need of a franchise here. There is no coverage in the press. Only Late night highlight shows with one live game a week on Sky no one watches.
To change our stadium for the possibility of 2 matches a season is embarrassing and Levy would get more money wanking for coins outside the Bricklayers on a match day if that's his reason for this. And we know it's all about money so it is.
No one cares about American Football here.
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WALOB. NFL sells out multiple games a season at Wembley, we have a 10 year guarantee of games, and even Boris Johnson said that London may host a Franchise soon at Tottenham. Also you do not need a huge NFL fan base in the country to make this venture worthwhile, as you not only bring in tourists you basically have a monopoly on which team UK based fans can easily see.
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Regardless of whether NFL/ franchise is successful over here I still think we'll reap the benefits in the short term regarding sponsorship, corporate and mainly naming rights. I couldn't care less if and what NFL games are played at our ground, I won't be going; I just want whats best for us. I don't think it's a case of them using Levy, it seems to me a bit of both. Them using us to gauge demand for a franchise and us using their brand to negotiate better sponsorships for our stadium.
A multi-purpose ground is also more attractive to other sports/ events so that helps us out too. I don't think changing our ground for the NFL/ other events will really effect the football side of things
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The changes to the stadium aren't for the NFL specifically imo. Of course they would be applicable if the nuffle did move a franchise here, which if it does happen, is at least a couple of decades from now. I know Conehead has made some questionable decisions down the years but he isn't a mug. He is not going to bet the farm on a whisper in the ear. In fact, isn't the main complaint against him that he doesn't roll the financial dice?
Make up your minds.
Make up your minds.
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Boris Johnson? Are you being serious? Boris Johnson is a habitual liar. Please do not take him seriously.
By multiple you mean 3 right? Ed Shearon sold out Wembley stadium the same amount of times. Shall we build a retractable stage on thesix yard line for him too?
I get most American Football fans are bit daft over here but are you saying they will ditch their beloved 49's or Tigers and change their support? Tbf some would. That is how this sport seems to work. It's very transient. Ive seen the crowds on their way to Wembley a few times. It's not the loyal army you seem to think that would schlep from all over the country to commit themselves to a team. It's kids, looky lou's and blokes who are into American lifestyle all wearing different jerseys. It's hardly a fan base.
How much money do you think Tottenham Hotspur Football Club will see for the privilege of hosting these 2 games a year btw?
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It is not about gate receipts for two games, it is about the marketing and sponsorship that comes with those. Also a franchise over here is almost bound to happen. I cannot stand american football, it is an utterly pointless sport that frustrates the piss out of me, that doesn't mean it is not a fantastic business opportunity that will make the club millions.
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It's mainly the NFL thing yes. I think we are being sold a pup.Spending millions more in new designs that I don't think will be used much if at all.
Of course the stadium will be used for other things. That's a good thing. But that fits around the football club not the other way round.
It's mainly the NFL thing yes. I think we are being sold a pup.Spending millions more in new designs that I don't think will be used much if at all.
Of course the stadium will be used for other things. That's a good thing. But that fits around the football club not the other way round.
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I fundamentally disagree. I do not see where the millions are going to be made for an awful lot of fuss over nothing.
American Football will never be viable enterprise here apart from a few freak shows once or twice a year. And it's not worth us whoring out ourselves for that.
I can just imagine the NFL Chiefs at the next meeting on speaker phone. Say Dan. Since we last spoke Wemberley are now giving us a great discount. It's a bigger, higher profile stadium. We will stick there for a while. Thanks for your interest buddy. Good luck with your mighty Cockerals beating the London reds this season.
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We did our original bid for the OS with AEG live and it was clear we had other events in mind. However if we didn't have NFL fully in mind then there would potentially be no fully removable pitch but we could of had a partial removable pitch like Lille to turn the stadium in to an arena. The fact we have gone full pitch removal does point to NFL.
So you are right in the sense that the removable pitch isn't just intended for NFL and will be used for other major event but the extent at which we have gone to remove the pitch fully is just for NFL
So potentially we could be rivalling Wembley as a host for concerts with arguably a better events team in AEG live and they would have their first stadium in the UK giving them more capacity of 61k+ compared to O2 arena(20k+) and their other arena, wembley arena(12.5k+)
The retractable would also allow a better playing surface than Wembley.
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That seems to be kept in mind. Odd we see it so differently. The football pitch isn't going anywhere but the other uses the stadium might see can go ahead without fear of them ballsing up the football pitch. That's how I see it. Maximising profit from the stadium precisely to benefit the football.
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Oh indeed. I'm not trying to say the retractable pitch hasn't been shaped by the actual or potential further games but that if we're really serious about maximising income from the stadium that feature, in some form, would be necessary lest it bollocks up the actual primary concern - the football club. That we're going the whole hog with it is clearly due to the games we've agreed to host and might potentially host after that but even if after the ten year deal is up there is no NFL in the stadium, that feature will be a welcome one. From every angle.
I assume? Holding my hands up and admit I could be wrong here.
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Unless the NFL can bring in a big big sponsor who can slap down £300m+ upfront,
then this design is just not going to happen, imo.
How much effort they put into this is their business and a reflection of their longer term desire to expand the sport to europe. They have to convince a sponsor that they are genuinely fully behind this.
But maybe this is all done and dusted already.
Maybe Lewis himself is prepared to pay up, just for a couple of nfl exhibition games a year to impress his mates.
Or maybe now the design is out there, we just wait to see who bites.
then this design is just not going to happen, imo.
How much effort they put into this is their business and a reflection of their longer term desire to expand the sport to europe. They have to convince a sponsor that they are genuinely fully behind this.
But maybe this is all done and dusted already.
Maybe Lewis himself is prepared to pay up, just for a couple of nfl exhibition games a year to impress his mates.
Or maybe now the design is out there, we just wait to see who bites.
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Some interesting bits that haven't been mentioned as of yet as far as Im aware:
There will be 10 levels/floors in the stadium plus the basement and roof level
As we learned yesterday that there is room for the club to expand hospitality which will extend the life of the stadium without actually needing the any rebuilding in the next 10 years or so. For example Arsenal realised they could of done with more hospitality suites or seats within the first 10 years. They are stuffed since they can't build up due to height restrictions and can't go down without moving out due to the water table. Also there is a box level and another level that has boxes so potential more boxes than playboy
Worth noting NFL stadiums have a very short life due to an increase in the need for hospitality so having two potential tiers of boxes does point to a big NFL interest as you see a lot in the NFL stadia
Also the North stand is only 3 tiers whilst East and West are 4 tiers so it isn't a identikit stadium
There will 585 apartments in the grand scheme
The trains on the now upgraded Victoria Line will be have the most frequent trains before match days in the UK with a train running every 100 seconds to seven sisters and tottenham hale, where there to be the extension to happen in the next ten years it would mean great transport links directly to the stadium
Northumberland Park is getting an upgrade(a reconstruction) with a third track being built and there will be more frequent trains from Stratford. This will be completed before the stadium. There will be a better quality footbridge and the level crossing will be removed.
WHL station will get a major upgrade and planning permission submitted later in the year and work completed in 2017
The club are going to operate two new bus services from Alexandria Palace via Wood green(piccadilly line) and from tottenham hale directly to the ground
Also the kept Listed building sits MUCH better in to the grand scheme of things and is part of the "Tottenham Experience" which is connected to the listed building by glass and integrates well in to one large building
Whilst I don't like certain things about the stadium, the club have definitely got the overall grand scheme right and better than their previous attempts(i.e. hotel, tottenham experience, extreme sports centre(probably includes a live riot simulator where you fight against riot police
) and etc.)
That said I can't see the climbing holds passing health and safety
There is more but I can't download all the documents but have a lot already
There will be 10 levels/floors in the stadium plus the basement and roof level
As we learned yesterday that there is room for the club to expand hospitality which will extend the life of the stadium without actually needing the any rebuilding in the next 10 years or so. For example Arsenal realised they could of done with more hospitality suites or seats within the first 10 years. They are stuffed since they can't build up due to height restrictions and can't go down without moving out due to the water table. Also there is a box level and another level that has boxes so potential more boxes than playboy
Worth noting NFL stadiums have a very short life due to an increase in the need for hospitality so having two potential tiers of boxes does point to a big NFL interest as you see a lot in the NFL stadia
Also the North stand is only 3 tiers whilst East and West are 4 tiers so it isn't a identikit stadium
There will 585 apartments in the grand scheme
The trains on the now upgraded Victoria Line will be have the most frequent trains before match days in the UK with a train running every 100 seconds to seven sisters and tottenham hale, where there to be the extension to happen in the next ten years it would mean great transport links directly to the stadium
Northumberland Park is getting an upgrade(a reconstruction) with a third track being built and there will be more frequent trains from Stratford. This will be completed before the stadium. There will be a better quality footbridge and the level crossing will be removed.
WHL station will get a major upgrade and planning permission submitted later in the year and work completed in 2017
The club are going to operate two new bus services from Alexandria Palace via Wood green(piccadilly line) and from tottenham hale directly to the ground
Also the kept Listed building sits MUCH better in to the grand scheme of things and is part of the "Tottenham Experience" which is connected to the listed building by glass and integrates well in to one large building
Whilst I don't like certain things about the stadium, the club have definitely got the overall grand scheme right and better than their previous attempts(i.e. hotel, tottenham experience, extreme sports centre(probably includes a live riot simulator where you fight against riot police
) and etc.)That said I can't see the climbing holds passing health and safety
There is more but I can't download all the documents but have a lot already
Except....
We have a signed contract with the NFL for a minimum of two regular season matches for ten years starting from 2018.
The NFL are in dispute with Wembley and are likely to take other games away from that venue rather than sign again.
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The two point you make here are mutually exclusive unfortunately. It's true to say the Victoria line is high frequency, however, the reason the frequency is so high on the Victoria line is, in part, thanks to the fact that the line has no junctions, it is one straight line there and back. Adding a spur up to Northumberland Park (or wherever) would reduce the line's efficiency. There is no way the Victoria line's ability to transport a vast number of commuters during the week with its high frequency service will be diminished by adding a branch line. Furthermore, the cost of doing so would be impossible to justify if said branch only operated on match days in order to maintain the frequency at other times. Is a non starter to be honest and TFL have said as much every time they've been asked, the Victoria line is their pride and joy.
Agree with much of what you wrote apart from that though!
