Willian

[King of Otters]

Quotes from Willian

'I have a proposal, but it is complicated because the board. Here are many players in the same position, most Brazilian. They buy and do not let go,' said Willian.
'That's the problem. Everyone knows that I want out, I'm here for five years, won many titles, so I hope you respect my will.
'I do not regret coming here, but this situation has been happening, with Chelsea trying to get me in January and now Tottenham, we start to rethink.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2193277/Willian-urges-Shakhtar-Donetsk-allow-Tottenham-move.html#ixzz24VihK0CZ


Sounds like Modric, apart from the string of titles

 

[pallettWHL]

Sounds like he could be our next signing, judging by all the latest news

 

[ButchCassidy]

Sounds like Modric, apart from the string of titles

Doesn't sound much like Modric to me. As far as we know he isn't trying to cling to a loyalty bonus while refusing to train with the team, and hasn't sat out games because his "head isn't right". There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to move to a bigger, better team in a competitive league for higher wages. Modric just went about it like a total ****. As far as we know Willian hasn't done that.

 

[Tomdon]

Good player who can play right across the front 3 or AM. If we are sending say 20m Euros on a player I don't think he is cover for anybody. Most important thing is that unlike Lennon he chips in with a good return of goals. If Lennon scored double figures every season then there would be no need.

My fear though is would he be just a Gervinho?

Do you really think that Lennon can score double figures at any season ?

 

[sim0n]

Do you really think that Lennon can score double figures at any season ?

"On 23 August 2007, he signed a 5-year contract with Shakhtar for £12 million until 30 June 2012.[2] Since then, Willian has played as a winger for the side and scored over a dozen goals."

Willian scored 12 goals in 5 seasons,... only seen him play a couple times in Europa, light weight and not really a stand out. I don't see that he's a premiership type player, but the manager wants who the manager wants... I don't see that Lennon or Willian will ever score double digit goals in the prem

(IMHO I think Remy would - no problem)

 

[ButchCassidy]

"On 23 August 2007, he signed a 5-year contract with Shakhtar for £12 million until 30 June 2012.[2] Since then, Willian has played as a winger for the side and scored over a dozen goals."

Willian scored 12 goals in 5 seasons,... only seen him play a couple times in Europa, light weight and not really a stand out. I don't see that he's a premiership type player, but the manager wants who the manager wants... I don't see that Lennon or Willian will ever score double digit goals in the prem

(IMHO I think Remy would - no problem)

That's because an out-and-out winger, not a goal scorer like Hulk or Bale who cuts in to shoot when they can. He creates scoring chances for other players with his passing and by drawing defenders out of position with his speed and flair. IMO you need both kinds of wingers in a team, and AVB has always preferred to play one of each (eg. Hulk and Varela). Also I can guarantee that AVB and our scouts have spent a lot more time watching this kid than any of us have, if they think he's worth the money I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

 

[sim0n]

That's because an out-and-out winger, not a goal scorer like Hulk or Bale who cuts in to shoot when they can. He creates scoring chances for other players with his passing and by drawing defenders out of position with his speed and flair. IMO you need both kinds of wingers in a team, and AVB has always preferred to play one of each (eg. Hulk and Varela). Also I can guarantee that AVB and our scouts have spent a lot more time watching this kid than any of us have, if they think he's worth the money I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

Yep, I agree on the out-and-out winger definition, I was quoting "tomdon" and don't expect wingers to be double digit scorers in general. But, with a 4-3-3 (apparently what AVB wants) the line up needs scoring wingers - or at least a less "one dimensional" winger. I brought up Remy because he was linked to Spurs before AVB arrived and has a lot of experience scoring from the RW position (play making ability AND scoring). I also agree that a more "well rounded" winger would be best. Willian is an out-and-out winger supplying assists only - he's not looked impressive in the handful of times I've seen him play and appears very lightweight IMHO.

As a footnote, I want to trust our new manager to shape the team as he sees fit. I am in more of a "wait and see" mode until he's proven otherwise.

COYS!!

 

[THOWIG]

A little note towards the end from uncle Tim

http://m.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawk...willian-would-be-good-replacement-samir-nasri

 

[ButchCassidy]

Yep, I agree on the out-and-out winger definition, I was quoting "tomdon" and don't expect wingers to be double digit scorers in general. But, with a 4-3-3 (apparently what AVB wants) the line up needs scoring wingers - or at least a less "one dimensional" winger. I brought up Remy because he was linked to Spurs before AVB arrived and has a lot of experience scoring from the RW position (play making ability AND scoring). I also agree that a more "well rounded" winger would be best. Willian is an out-and-out winger supplying assists only - he's not looked impressive in the handful of times I've seen him play and appears very lightweight IMHO.

As a footnote, I want to trust our new manager to shape the team as he sees fit. I am in more of a "wait and see" mode until he's proven otherwise.

COYS!!

I think Bale is going to get his wish and be expected to develop into a massive goal threat from the wing. Between him, whoever our main striker ends up being, and Rafa/Siggy in an advanced mid position I think we will get the bulk of our goals, not to mention Sandro, Vertonghen, and Walker with the occasional golazo. Personally I like having an option on the right who can swing balls into Ade/Leandro/Bale, and have the pace to cause havoc and the vision to create goals for the other players, which Willian may well develop into. A little creativity from the side would be refreshing and might help us replace Modric more easily.

I do think its a bit odd that Remy disappeared off our radar the minute Harry was sacked. I would like to know what AVB/Levy/our scouts see in him thats scared us off.

 

[Hoopspur]

Do you really think that Lennon can score double figures at any season ?

I honestly don't know to that one. Play him on the left then maybe, but that causes problems with Bale. Also loses some of his effectiveness.

He needs more goals to his game.

 

[sim0n]

I honestly don't know to that one. Play him on the left then maybe, but that causes problems with Bale. Also loses some of his effectiveness.

He needs more goals to his game.

unfortunately his injury history indicates he'll never be available enough to score more goals per season

 

[raf18]

A lot of the youtube video's dont look too great, but this one gets me VERY excited!

 

[ButchCassidy]

A lot of the youtube video's dont look too great, but this one gets me VERY excited!

DAT FRO.

Seriously though, very composed on the ball and plays with his head up. Looks a lot better than the 'do a lot of step overs and maybe they'll let me run by them' Willian in the vids from a few years ago. Sign him up!

 

[frazer]

He looks quality in that video but plays from the left, maybe AVB has a different plan for Bale this year! Also I like his new Fro, but maybe he has had a haircut this week into maybe a Mohawk? (Mystery Guy at Lodge?)

 

[Tomdon]

Yep, I agree on the out-and-out winger definition, I was quoting "tomdon" and don't expect wingers to be double digit scorers in general. But, with a 4-3-3 (apparently what AVB wants) the line up needs scoring wingers - or at least a less "one dimensional" winger. I brought up Remy because he was linked to Spurs before AVB arrived and has a lot of experience scoring from the RW position (play making ability AND scoring). I also agree that a more "well rounded" winger would be best. Willian is an out-and-out winger supplying assists only - he's not looked impressive in the handful of times I've seen him play and appears very lightweight IMHO.

As a footnote, I want to trust our new manager to shape the team as he sees fit. I am in more of a "wait and see" mode until he's proven otherwise.

COYS!!

I actually do expect from wingers to score double digit scores, with the now highly favored formation of 4-3-3 you can see players like Benzema, Ronaldo, Ribery and Silva getting those figures.
Players like Hulk or Benzema who have played as a strikers in the past have become a wingers due this formation, they have adapted or evolved, they can control the ball, make opportunities, cut into the box and have the killer sense to score.
Lennon is an old type of a winger while Bale has become the new type of a winger IMO

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

I actually do expect from wingers to score double digit scores, with the now highly favored formation of 4-3-3 you can see players like Benzema, Ronaldo, Ribery and Silva getting those figures.
Players like Hulk or Benzema who have played as a strikers in the past have become a wingers due this formation, they have adapted or evolved, they can control the ball, make opportunities, cut into the box and have the killer sense to score.
Lennon is an old type of a winger while Bale has become the new type of a winger IMO

Benzema? Sorry what?

 

[Tomdon]

Benzema? Sorry what?

Yes Benzema, while Ronaldo was playing in front, Benzema used to play in the left or right wings, to draw defenders or to make his run through the box, at least that is how they have played most of the games last season.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I've seen nothing in any of the clips to suggest why we are interested in him and if you can't look good in YouTube clips then there is a real problem. Seems like we are looking at the wrong players.

 

[tobi]

Really?

Who in our squad can dribble like him?

Who in our squad is unpredictable like him?

Apart from VDV (and maybe The Sig), who in our squad offers guile and craft?

Bale and Lennon offer none of the above.

 

[PrettyColors]

I've seen nothing in any of the clips to suggest why we are interested in him and if you can't look good in YouTube clips then there is a real problem. Seems like we are looking at the wrong players.

who should we be looking at mate?

today proved we need some craft, guile, dribbling ability, etc. in our squad. Hazard has it. Mata has it. Kagawa has it. Silva has it. Aguero has it. Suarez has it. Cazorla has it. Nasri has it. Dembele has it. all top 6 teams have a player who has the ability. VDV has it, but doesn't have the pace or the directness. Modric had it, and we need a replacement. Maybe they don't play the same position. But we need dribblers.