Why Harry Redknapp is no longer the manager to take Spurs Forward

[Paolo10]

Well you're one of the people that's fairly changed their tune in a period of a couple of months or so.

If by improve people are saying bring another manager in, I fail to understand that.

We are limited by wages, stadium size, money and injuries, not by the manager.

 

[Narnill]

But you're slagging him off for a poor spell that probably didn't last 9 games in the face of major progression, go figure.

Haha, what a shit stat, how is that worked out? what counts as a long ball?

If he was massively at fault for us failing to get in the champions league, then he was a bloody genius for getting us in there the year before. Cant have it both ways. COYS

I can, because I gave him huge praise when we qualified for the CL. I think it was a great failure not repeating it. Especially when you factor in the shit run of results that BC covered.

Harry is doing well, has done well and I wouldn't see him replaced unless his legal troubles threaten to unsettle the ship. But all these bumped threads after 9 decent games is stupid and just as knee-jerk as the Harry out brigade.

 

[Mr Pink]

Well you're one of the people that's fairly changed their tune in a period of a couple of months or so.

If by improve people are saying bring another manager in, I fail to understand that.

We are limited by wages, stadium size, money and injuries, not by the manager.

Not sure who this is aimed at, but if its me...I will tell you right now that my view hasn't changed at all.

 

[StartingPrice]

I have no problem with Paolo defending Harry because he certainly has a strong defence, the buck stops with his record. I want what is best for THFC and Harry and Levy have my full support.

The only point I'm really making is that just because you don't agree with someone or share the same view there is no need to brand all in sundry in the same group ( with reference to Paolo)

Some people are very capable of presenting intelligent reasoning and arguments to back up certain points which are quite controversial. Others offer a one liner which offers nothing.

That's all I'm saying SP :grin:

Dats bollox hand ewe no IT :razz:

The point I think you're missing is that overall most Spurs fan will be delighted with Harry's contribution at Tottenham thus far. However that doesn't mean we can't discuss details...like the squad, formations, tactis the colour of Sandra's knickers (don't tell us :wink

I mean you think on Redcafe they don't discuss and argue about formations and personnel because they win the Prem most seasons and have the most successful manager ever in football?

Yes some could be more respectful and grateful but in the main I think most fans are thankful of Harry's work at Tottenham, but that doesn't mean people don't speak out when mistakes are made.

Perhaps a PM to Dan would help :grin:

Who says she wears any

Well you're one of the people that's fairly changed their tune in a period of a couple of months or so.

If by improve people are saying bring another manager in, I fail to understand that.

We are limited by wages, stadium size, money and injuries, not by the manager.

TBF, Paolo, I don't think Pinky has changed his tune...he's always been generally positive about Redknapp and the direction we are heading.
But he does like to discuss certain issues and, because no one is perfect, that does include mistakes that Redknapp makes, and failings he has - while recognising that as a complete package he is doing well for the club.

 

[mpickard2087]

Well you're one of the people that's fairly changed their tune in a period of a couple of months or so.

If by improve people are saying bring another manager in, I fail to understand that.

We are limited by wages, stadium size, money and injuries, not by the manager.

Your focusing on the 1% (ok maybe 5%) of extremists, the rest can criticise the manager for his decisions without saying he should be sacked.

I wasnt happy at the end of last season, I thought we blew it big time and made my opinion known. But I said Harry deserved time and should be here this season. A lot of my gripes have been the areas where there has been noticeable change, so obviously the coaching staff thought the same. You can say where you think the manager can improve without wanting him replaced Paolo.

 

[Mr Pink]

Dats bollox hand ewe no IT :razz:



Who says she wears any



TBF, Paolo, I don't think Pinky has changed his tune...he's always been generally positive about Redknapp and the direction we are heading.
But he does like to discuss certain issues and, because no one is perfect, that does include mistakes that Redknapp makes, and failings he has - while recognising that as a complete package he is doing well for the club.

Couldn't of put better myself SP, I could employ you to post on here for me :wink:

Seriously though I have great respect for what Harry has done but that does not mean I won't call a spade a spade when its warranted.

I mean it only takes a certain amount of intelligence to work out which posters still have an under current of respect for what Harry is doing.

Its very simplistic to view people as Harry bashers because they criticise details in games or question certain decisions. After all the game is about opinion.

I mean should we all just run around on here shouting Harry is the best, yippee...like a bunch of 8 year olds? :grin:...close the forum and good night :wink:

 

[yido_number1]

At the end of the day every manager has some defects, if you look at Chelsea they won the double under Anceloti and then tinned him the season after for finishing 3rd... they're now struggling to qualify for the latter stages of champs league and lying below us in the league.

At least with Redknap we play good exciting football with good players, he has his weaknesses but as the squad is improving year on year he is slowly shedding those that dont perform and upgrading them... (Jenas , Hutton, Bentley etc). It would be a disaster to lose Redknap now either due to court case or England any one that doesnt realise that is naieve...

 

[Paolo10]

That was directed at Pickard, Mr. Pink just replied first.

 

[sloth]

Tilting at windmills again Paolo :lol: ?

You go get 'em boyo!!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Why exactly are you all holding on to last season's failings as a measure of the manager when the squad's been developed, results have improved and we're on an unbeaten run? All without having spent too much cash at all (profit after last bit of wheeling and dealing).

I was validating the criticisms people justifiably had at the time with Redknapp's clear and undeniable part in our failure to qualify for the CL last season.

No matter what the guy does right, a load of you nitpick the fucking bit out. Sloth, you're one of the worst and BC. Well nuff said.

This is just bollocks. Go and read the Liverpool, Wolves, Wigan, Newcastle, QPR threads. You will find praise from myself and Sloth in there. Or in the Kaboul thread. Or in the "credit where it's due" thread post the Liverpool game. I have many, many time credited Redknapp with his signings and team building skills, with getting us to 4th etc.

That doesn't mean I/we agree with everything he does, nor should we, just as I don't agree with everything Ferguson does, Mancini does or Wenger does, but do appreciate some things they do.

I'm not Sandra or in love with Harry or any of that shit

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

I'll be the fucking first to hammer him, but let's keep it fucking subjective, eh?

See, this is plain bullshit. Whilst I and most of the other so called called haters have all praised Redknapp at some points or several, I have never seen you criticise him. You won't even acknowledge the major tactical mistakes he made week after week last season. Subjective. Bollocks.

See there while you praise him, you question his tactical nous and blame him for not getting a striker in. Not sure I agree with that exactly, and if he's so tactically deficient how are we in the position we're in? It's not luck.

No it's not all luck. It's not all tactical genius or coaching either. Some of it is putting together a very talented squad of individuals who sometimes play great football that shows signs of good coaching, and sometimes show signs of poor coaching but are individually talented enough - defensively and offensively - to win games.

Sometimes, like last season, they show signs of poor coaching and poor tactics which cost us games. And our strikers were not the only reason, because clearly we should have had enough talent to beat teams getting relegated.

5th place wasn't progress, Jol managed that. 5th place was failure when you consider we only had to take 6 of the what, 21 points we dropped at home.

You keep mentioning players we had to play but some of those like Defoe, bassong were signed by Redknapp.

I couldn't be annoyed with that post BC as the same fucking thing has been discussed again and again, about drawing at home, about injuries, about the fact we had to play players like Pav, Gomes and Bassong who are almighty weak links.

This is the only period people can bring into question so it's done to fucking death.

This is not the only period. There have been a couple of periods. We nearly blew a strong position the season we finished 4th. And our football was tactically inept for 90% of the whole of last season. Long balls, open bollocks, poor defensive organisation etc etc.

If you didn't want to discuss the valid criticisms that people had about Redknapp, both last season and this, then why bump this thread, unless it was some childish attempt to blow a cyber raspberry at the so called haters, based on our side achieving the league place that frankly, our personnel should be with only a quarter of the season gone.

This is a great run, Redknapp has got plenty right, he deserves credit for it, but why the fuck should a squad this good, a squad that contains several players that have either played for or are coveted by the best teams in the world, be settling for less.

 

[Paolo10]

Settling for less than what? Was the squad as good last season when you were all wailing and gnashing your teeth (justifiably of course...I disagree)?

I bumped this thread to show the fucking mentality of a lot of very vocal posters and how something that was labelled as a 'great article', 'bang on' etc. was complete reactionary bullshit of the highest order and is pretty much proven to be now, it was bullshit even in light of the 2 opening defeats and is a shining beacon of shit now after the run we've had.

Bassong was signed as cover, we had massive injuries and it didn't work out, hes simply not good enough. Defoe was injured, mind you, you'll not mention that when you're tearing into him (yet again).

Talking about subjectivity when you're still looking back on the 4th season and the usual cry of tactically inept. You'd make a fucking wonder manager obviously.

Fuck this. I await Sloth's 9 paragraph monster on pointing out the difference between tactics used in two slightly different formations. Harry can't win with some of you lot.

 

[Wiener]

See there while you praise him, you question his tactical nous and blame him for not getting a striker in. Not sure I agree with that exactly, and if he's so tactically deficient how are we in the position we're in? It's not luck.

Too many are taking the manager for granted IMO, that's my main beef. People like Ashcroft and his Disciples of Doom are the worst, sniping at every opportunity...he's fairly fucked off lately come to think of it.

He has completely transformed the club and dseserves untold praise, yet what do we have here? Managers that might be losing their jobs, crying essays about the fucking 4-2-3-1 and critique even on games we win well (the NLD immediately springs to mind).

Moany bitches tbf.

I would dispute both these statements.

When he took over the fundamentals of the club were sound. We had a good squad, but it was in disarray. He managed to build confidence and along the way has brought in 2 excellent players who have really made a difference in Parker and Adebayor. Let's see if he can get us into the top 4 again. I am hopeful with the squad we now have. Without injuries to Modric, King, Parker, Adebayor, VDV and possibly Kaboul and Sandro we look very strong.

As for "untold praise", this is clearly where you differ from many people. If, by this, you mean that he must be praised to the exclusion of any (constructive) criticism, then I cannot agree. He deserves praise, nearly as much as Levy, but there are question marks over some of his decisions. Anyway, where is the fun in being someone's poodle?

 

[sloth]

Bloody hell Paolo, I feel like a man with a few liberal tendencies being accused by a Nazi of being a raving commie!

Anyway, my advice to you is to take a look in the mirror first :up:

 

[tRiKS]

i'm still about. i still have valid issues with Rednapp tactically despite me enjoying wholeheartedly what he's good at.

I even have an issue with us tactically agasint Villa even though it was about as comprehesive a 2-0 as you can get.

 

[Maske2g]

I would dispute both these statements.

When he took over the fundamentals of the club were sound. We had a good squad, but it was in disarray. He managed to build confidence and along the way has brought in 2 excellent players who have really made a difference in Parker and Adebayor. Let's see if he can get us into the top 4 again. I am hopeful with the squad we now have. Without injuries to Modric, King, Parker, Adebayor, VDV and possibly Kaboul and Sandro we look very strong.

As for "untold praise", this is clearly where you differ from many people. If, by this, you mean that he must be praised to the exclusion of any (constructive) criticism, then I cannot agree. He deserves praise, nearly as much as Levy, but there are question marks over some of his decisions. Anyway, where is the fun in being someone's poodle?

This is a fair, sound appraisal. The team is playing very well. Harry has done well. We were very understrength the first two games also. Old trafford with Niko and Livermore is a bit of a mess.

However, away against Fulham, blackburn and Newcastle we were a bit too negative and were lucky to get 7 points in my opinion. We don't need to sit back against those teams for 30 mins and scrape the points. If players put the shift in and are f*cked after 70, thats what our superb bench is for?

Its still the biggest tactical gripe for me, lack of change when it's clearly needed on the field. Take Parker, he took a hefty whack against Fulham, he is 31 also so needs to be looked after. He was fucked after 70 mins. With a two goal lead, isnt that the ideal time to give Sandro some minutes? Same against Villa. We all believe Sandro is good enough, so rest those 31 year old legs. Parker has had many injuries, he needs to be looked after to keep up his form.

I'ts not just VDV who tires in the last 20 mins....

I think it's great the way he's used the kids in Europe, and a few times he's been completely starved of options, but his insistence on Townsend at left back is getting to me. Left footed? go play left back....

 

[Paolo10]

I'll bet someone from here wrote that in the first place come to think of it.

 

[Paolo10]

Its still the biggest tactical gripe for me, lack of change when it's clearly needed on the field. Take Parker, he took a hefty whack against Fulham, he is 31 also so needs to be looked after. He was fucked after 70 mins. With a two goal lead, isnt that the ideal time to give Sandro some minutes? Same against Villa. We all believe Sandro is good enough, so rest those 31 year old legs. Parker has had many injuries, he needs to be looked after to keep up his form.

I'ts not just VDV who tires in the last 20 mins....

I think it's great the way he's used the kids in Europe, and a few times he's been completely starved of options, but his insistence on Townsend at left back is getting to me. Left footed? go play left back....

Sandro came on at 2-1 against Fulham and Harry wasn't even on the bench. Playing Townsend at left-back in Europa, where we've almost qualified with a C Team is a gripe?

:shrug:

Edit: You could almost argue that our league form is related to the fact our best players have only really played league football this season.

 

[sloth]

... I await Sloth's 9 paragraph monster on pointing out the difference between tactics used in two slightly different formations. Harry can't win with some of you lot.

I'll bet someone from here wrote that in the first place come to think of it.

Cos it's got more than eight paragraphs Paolo :grin: ?

I can just see you in a book-shop:

Sales assistant: Can I help you sir?
Paolo: What is all this fucking shit? [I'm thinking you've got a Glaswegian accent, short too, like Begbie from Trainspotting]
SA: Pardon?
Paolo: This bollocks... [Paolo picks a book from the shelf, rifles through it contemptuously and tosses it to the floor, before grinding it under his heel]... fucking words, I fucking hate them...
SA: Sir I really must ask you to des-
Paolo: Yeah, yeah, whatever...! [gobs on the floor] If it was up to me I'd torch the fucking place! [Paolo leans very close to the Shop Assistant's face, spittle flecks the corners of his mouth, veins in his temples pulse; Then he screams] NOW FUCK OFF OUT OF MY FACE! YOU FUCKING HATERS WITH ALL YOUR FUCKING WORDS YOU MAKE ME FUCKING SICK!!! [Paolo walks nonchalantly from the shop, a smirk on his face, satisfied that he put that fucking bitch straight. Meanwhile the hyperventilating shop assistant slumps to the floor)

Have I got it right ?

 

[Paolo10]

Your word count would be untold I'd imagine...the fact you just wrote a mini-play there says a lot (a bit like your massive posts).

About Spurs, delusions of journalism, cries of accord from all and sundry...
....odds on it was someone from here. Probably too short to be one of yours tbf!

 

[Maske2g]

Sandro came on at 2-1 against Fulham and Harry wasn't even on the bench. Playing Townsend at left-back in Europa, where we've almost qualified with a C Team is a gripe?

:shrug:

Edit: You could almost argue that our league form is related to the fact our best players have only really played league football this season.

This is not an isolated incident, it happens at least every other game. The changes come too late. Sandro played for 13 minutes after we'd been battered for a whole half in which Parker and Modric had gone on the missing. Anyone who denies that Fulham deserved a point is not worthy of my time.

Playing someone with less defensive ability than Jordan's fanny is a gripe yes. he's not developing, and he has looked terrible everytime he has played there, yet great when he's been in midfield, figure that out....

Square pegs don't fit in round holes.


and I wouldn't class Gallas, Defoe, Pav or Bassong, as c team....