Who is to blame for our bloated squad?

[Maske2g]

When is a free transfer ever unnecessary? We will make a profit on Krankjar, cos he wants to leave.

Piennar was free and effectively his replacement.

The only 2 buys that were completely ridiculous for us were Keane and Bentley.

The reason why we can't get rid of some of these players is greed from the charimen.

Robbie Keane should be given a pass for 2 million and no more. He's not even worth that now, he has gone at the game.

Bentley was an expensive mistake, and now no one would even have him on a free cos who would pay his massive wages?

Bassong is not "surplus to requirements", he wants to leave. Let him leave then.

We would keep Palacious, but we've unearthed an upgrade, and there are more players out there potentially, such as Diarra and Parker.

People with an agenda write such drivel.

And as for the ridiculous comment about "out of sight our of mind". They went on loan. If Keane and Bentley performed on loan, we would have got cash. They didn't perform, shit happens, Dos Santos did ok and we'll get paid, Kyle Walker did great and we'll keep him. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[brett.spurs]

Pienaar was £3m, not free.

 

[Maske2g]

Pienaar was £3m, not free.

Beg your pardon, but in other words, we'll sell Krankjar for a profit, and we've replaced him for less with Everton's player of the year.

I don't see any downside.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

We are to blame - the fans.

Every single transfer window we scream and shout and stamp and cry about how we need to sign this player, or we need to sign that player and, if we don't manage to secure the signature of the player we think could take us to the next level then we piss and whine about how our current squad aren't good enough.

Levy puts up the cash, our coaches sign the players, knowing that no signing would mean catastrophe and end up with fans self harming from some of the posts i see on here, but not once do any of us think what happens when the time comes to part with any of these players other than "sell him", and expect it to happen.

Well, Levy would be careless if he didn't eep every penny out of every sold player he could, considering how in most cases the players are going to clubs that will be competing with us directly the following season, be it domestically or on the continent; he doesn't want another team strengthening whilst we're still unsure on our incoming squad members, so he has to play a fine balancing act.

Sure, he could offer 4 players for one, like we did with Sunderland a few seasons back, and was rumoured to be the case with us earlier this break, but that leaves us in a position of needing to buy, which other clubs would see and would stick another zero on asking prices knowing that if we do decide to turn it down then we'll be the ones short a few players come the new season.

It's not easy dealing with a transfer window and keeping a sensible balance, from the perspective of the chairman, manager and coaches, let alone the squad itself.

 

[DJS]

Palacios was an essential signing who until midway through last season was one of the first names on the team sheet - his drive was getting us through games until he went off the boil.

Without him we may not have avoided relegation, or at least not done so as easily.

Defoe - this is arguable. Maybe Harry should have used more imagination but we were left desperately short of forwards by the Comolli / Ramos regime and needed some strike power. Although I still to this day feel Bent is the better option then Defoe...

Defoe did come back fresh and hungry and looked to be striking up a good partnership with Pav though until he got injured.

Keane - bought in to cover for Defoe getting injured. Again, maybe Harry could be accused of a lack of imagination but maybe his return gave us some much-needed voice and spirit in the changing room? Although perhaps we should have been looking elsewhere for someone a bit younger and fresher?

To be honest, in the risk of being accused of being a Harry basher I would say his signings haven't been too great since he's been in charge and have lacked a bit of imagination.

VDV and Sandro were set up by Levy and I would say Palacios and Bassong (in his first season) were very good signings by Harry but the whole club really has messed up over the forward situation.

I just don't buy this reasoning that forwards are hard to acquire, our scouting network if it's worth it's salt should be able to pick up something better then what we have.

 

[DJS]

Both Harry and Levy.

Harry for the unnecessary buys like Pienaar, Pletikosa, Khumalo, Friedel etc. Levy for not being willing to take a loss on a depreciating player. Both of them for their "out of sight and out of mind" attitude which sees us loaning half of them out and being back to square one when the season ends.

Repped.

 

[dav3j]

Both Harry and Levy.

Harry for the unnecessary buys like Pienaar, Pletikosa, Khumalo, Friedel etc. Levy for not being willing to take a loss on a depreciating player. Both of them for their "out of sight and out of mind" attitude which sees us loaning half of them out and being back to square one when the season ends.

Pienaar was cheap as and has only been with us for half a season, don't write him off so quickly. Pletikosa was a loan to provide cover for Gomes and Cudicini. Khumalo, to me, has Levy purchase written all over it. Friedel hasn't even played for us yet so again you're being awfully quick to write him off.

 

[cusop]

But if players like Kranjar and pieneer see themselves as commodities in a spurs supply chain it does not bode well for the clubs reputation. But I am guessing we took on these players to balance the books as some of Commolis late purchases we ridiculous at the time.

Bentley, Pav.. And Gomes

Ridiculous prices which can never be realized in a future sale.

 

[StockSpur]

we had a lot of managers in a short space of time, new tactics etc, plus the chariman likes sell on potential.

 

[StockSpur]

oh, i think keane/jenas/hutton in a straight swap for cahill is more than fair, bolton should take that opportunity with both hands.

120,000 a mth of the wage bill for a start.

 

[3Dnata]

And yet with our so-called boated squad on many occasions we came close to being thread bare and had to play a 3rd keeper in our squad as an outfield player on a couple of occasions.
Are our first team otions really that great?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

And yet with our so-called boated squad on many occasions we came close to being thread bare and had to play a 3rd keeper in our squad as an outfield player on a couple of occasions.
Are our first team otions really that great?

That was redknapp failing to use the squad properly. Instead of putting two keepers on the bench he should have included bostock or parrett. You also need to take into account the amount of players that we had out on loan who have now returned

 

[Spurz]

we probably have the biggest under ultilised squad in england. Our 1st team seems to be so tired near the end of the season but harry hardly rotates the squad

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

'Arry and JJ are obviously to blame

them 2 ****s can't do nothin right

 

[cwy21]

Bale, Rose, Walker, Livermore, Sandro, and GDS we're all on the under 21 list last season and all now count against our 25 man squad.

 

[Casparian]

I thought I'd move this debate over from Transfer rumours.

I don't think it's something that can be pinned on any one person but I am amazed how some people completely exonerate HR from any blame. The reason given is that he had to buy the players he did to get us out of the hole we were in. The players I am thinking of are the likes of Defoe, Keane, Palacios etc who we are now looking to sell at a substantial loss.

Hmm interesting never really a good idea to play the blame game before all cards have being played out.As things stand having read through the thread perhaps some clarification is in order like..

Defoe was bought for £7m from Spammers and sold for £12m = profit £5m.We then returned in January 09 and bought him back for £15m although once this complex deal was finally ironed out.They had to knock off £4m as was in the initial deal ie a Levy special sell on which did actually apply despite Pompeys oohing and ahhing, as was also shown to be the case of Billy Sharpes move from Sheff Utd to S****horpe and back again.

Bring the fee to £11m that then is before, due to Pompeys farcial finances we had to write off £9m they still owed us for Defoe which was actually due late Jan/early Feb hence all the fuss about Spurs pillaging a club in crisis like it was our fault.Leaving us all said and done £2m out of pocket for what effectively was a loan to Pompey.Fair to assume Defoe despite much ridiculing, despite being a proven prem striker who has scored 100 goals for our club.He is also English and would serve a newly brought in ruling is going to fail to command less than the £2m outlay which actually when set against an earlier £5m profit puts us actually £3m profit before he even get sold.

Robbie Keane yes another fine servant of THFC also having scored over 100 goals in our colours.Bought from Leeds for just £6m the only player to have won our player of the year award three times 2003–04, 2005–06 and 2007–08.Also the only player to hit double figure in the league 6 years in a row for us.Sold to Liverpool for £20.3m making a £14.3m profit before it all went wrong and we brought him back for just £12m which by my calculations leaves us ooh £2.3m up before he gets sold on a point that actually got made many times when the deal was going on by those willing to look into more detail plus various ITKs.

Amazing I know when faced with facts suddenly it makes more sense why some people question the lunacy of people so quick to degrade players deemed no longer fit for use sod him,get em out blah blah in years to come these same things will be said of players idolised right now,if there is one benefit of being a *cough* old 30yo its that regardless of views on how the games evolved I lived in an era before it got comical where commitment and respect went both ways.Anyway to finalise I appreciate Robbie has to move on for his and our benefit and will wish him well when that time comes either way the fee received should satisfy all afterall a)its added profit on top of current £2.3m and b)his achievements of the past can no longer be used against his failing of the present and future.

As stated way up about playing the blame game before the games at its end Palacios was bought for £12m from Wigan and was recently linked with a £14m move to PSG although not materialised has shown what his worth to PSG is and also any club hoping to attain his services in the future.Optimist that I am willing to bet he exceeds £12m if indeed sold.Finally Kranjcar was actually bought for £2m having had the £4.5m fee pompey still owed us for KPB waved meaning £6.5m fee became £2m and went on to be lauded rightly so as deal of the season by many.

Edit:Interesting maybe to some that did you know Spurs since the premiership began have...

Spent £433,926,000 on transfers including all things inclusive
Received £263,440,680.
Average net spending of £8,524,266 over 20 seasons.
All Is dotted and Ts crossed our current squad right now cost us £208,355,000 to assemble.

The only player in our entire history that could EVER be deemed a wtf loss is Mr Rebrov bought for £11m sold to Fenerbahce for £600,000 loss £10.4m next to him is Sir Les cost £6m from the Toon released on a free and joined spammers.Puts people like JJ in perspective given we only paid £7m for him the same summer some dude called Lennon was bought for £800k and Thudd for just £2m from Derby County.

Hoping not bored anyone yet or if still reading and interested before the prem spanning 1908-1992.

Spurs Spent £23,138,449
Received £16,679,650
Average net over 84 years £76,890
Not bad given all our best success happened during that period and they say money buys happiness.

So all said and done in its entirety 1908 to present day..
Spent £457,064,449
Received £280,120,330
Average net spend over 104 years £1,701,386

 

[NEVILLEB]

Once Harry has said a player can leave it's upto Levy to sell him.

Harry plays no part in the financial negotiations at Tottenham.

 

[pablo73]

@ Casparian

Some interesting facts there but most of it is irrelevant re the discussion of HR buying players that are deemed surplus to requirements within a couple of years and that we are likely to sell at a loss. Taking the examples of Defoe and Keane, the fact is we are going to sell them for substantially less than we paid for them when HR went out and bought them back. What we bought and sold them for before that has no bearing whatsoever on this particular discussion.

 

[Maske2g]

Casparian, in retrospect, when you look at it, we are net par (roughly) for Keane and Defoe......however, justifying buying a player for 12-15 million because you have already made profit on them before, has little logic in my eyes.

Defoe was never a regular before he was sold, and Keane had clearly dropped a bollock at Liverpool.

 

[pablo73]

Casparian, in retrospect, when you look at it, we are net par (roughly) for Keane and Defoe......however, justifying buying a player for 12-15 million because you have already made profit on them before, has little logic in my eyes.

Defoe was never a regular before he was sold, and Keane had clearly dropped a bollock at Liverpool.

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