West Brom Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[CrazyHeart]

Why are people surprised we were shit yesterday. We struggled with something we have all season. It's been a fundemental aspect of our poor season and that is...we are always rubbish after the Europa league in the week!

Who says we actually have to be playing in it to use it as an excuse?

Our defence was remarkably tighter under AVB.

 

[Shadydan]

Our defence was remarkably tighter under AVB.

Yeah in general we had a very good defence under AVB, the two thrashings skewed things a little but we looked like we knew what we were doing from a defensive point of view.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

Bollocks watch them play, ask any city fan who watches them regularly, fernandinho sits deeper than toure

The thing is Man City (and other successful clubs) defend and attack as a team therefore their defensive midfielders can get into more attacking positions.

We don't play as a team, there are times that out players look like they have never met each other never mind train together. Apart from Eriksen and Kane, they pass the ball to each other as if they are trying to make it difficult for their team mate. Passes hit too hard or to softly, balls hit at knee or waist height, it actually beggars belief that these are premier league players sometimes.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Yeah in general we had a very good defence under AVB, the two thrashings skewed things a little but we looked like we knew what we were doing from a defensive point of view.

Plus Rose was shaping up to be a promising prospect at LB... now look at him!

 

[Shadydan]

Plus Rose was shaping up to be a promising prospect at LB... now look at him!

He got injured when he came back he was crap, obviously getting injured isn't his fault but playing crap is down to him.

 

[Ribble]

He got injured when he came back he was crap, obviously getting injured isn't his fault but playing crap is down to him.

I think that you could also ask questions regarding coaching there too, tbf. If he's not receiving appropriate feedback to improve his game how is he actually meant to?

 

[CrazyHeart]

He got injured when he came back he was crap, obviously getting injured isn't his fault but playing crap is down to him.

Partially down to him... a disciplinarian would help in that area instead of a 'have out there' kinda guy IMHO.

 

[dondo]

Partially down to him... a disciplinarian would help in that area instead of a 'have out there' kinda guy IMHO.

How would you know TS isnt a disciplinarian? according to what I've read he is.
Not all our problems are down to TS a lot of them were here before he came.
You dont know what goes on at training so stop bending the truth to your will.

 

[FinnYid]

Our defence was remarkably tighter under AVB.

Was it? Goals conceded don't really back that up.

On PL under AVB this season conceded 1,3125 per game and scored 0,9375(!!!) per game. Under Tim conceded 1,5 per game and scored 1,8333 per game. Now I'd say change in goals scored is remarkable (34 goal difference scaled to 38 games) while change in goals conceded is slight (7 goal difference scaled to 38 games).

 

[lukadownthelane]

Except he can be a clown at times because at anfield he forgot to put the second part of that plan into action!!

Maybe it was part of the plan! Save the players the worry about Liverpool for the really big challenge of Sunderland!

 

[CrazyHeart]

How would you know TS isnt a disciplinarian? according to what I've read he is.
Not all our problems are down to TS a lot of them were here before he came.
You dont know what goes on at training so stop bending the truth to your will.

They're certainly not playing about it, and Sherwood himself said so.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Was it? Goals conceded don't really back that up.

On PL under AVB this season conceded 1,3125 per game and scored 0,9375(!!!) per game. Under Tim conceded 1,5 per game and scored 1,8333 per game. Now I'd say change in goals scored is remarkable (34 goal difference scaled to 38 games) while change in goals conceded is slight (7 goal difference scaled to 38 games).

First of all, you need to factor in ALL competitions which Spurs are part of (sorry, WERE part of). Secondly, Sherwood's initial successes in the PL were down to the culmination of AVB's work and progress and since half the competitions were out of the picture thanks to Sherwood - it doesn't render all things being equal. But nice of you to stand up for Tim, however I cannot abide by your evident desire to have him continue on next season as manager.

 

[FinnYid]

First of all, you need to factor in ALL competitions which Spurs are part of (sorry, WERE part of).

No I don't. I want to keep it on level without celebrating too much on clean sheets against Tbilisi, Tromsö, Anzhi or Sheriff. Not that we were able to do so with some of the fixtures.

Secondly, Sherwood's initial successes in the PL were down to the culmination of AVB's work

Wether it was or not, it hasn't taken drastic turn to worse as stats show you. However goals scored are on different planet compared to hapless AVB.

and progress and since half the competitions were out of the picture thanks to Sherwood.

Thanks to Sherwood - being out against Benfica, Arsenal and Spammers is really so much different to gettin kicked out by Norwich, Leeds or Basle???

But nice of you to stand up for Tim, however I cannot abide by your evident desire to have him continue on next season as manager.

I don't have desire for him to continue as next season manager. To me he is caretaker. Just pointed out that we're not leaking much more than we did under AVB, but on the other hand are scoring vastly more. Then again, almost anyone pulled from the street would've been impovement over AVB. Besides this has little to do with me, it was you who wanted to paint hapless one as better than he was.

 

[CrazyHeart]

No I don't. I want to keep it on level without celebrating too much on clean sheets against Tbilisi, Tromsö, Anzhi or Sheriff. Not that we were able to do so with some of the fixtures.



Wether it was or not, it hasn't taken drastic turn to worse as stats show you. However goals scored are on different planet compared to hapless AVB.



Thanks to Sherwood - being out against Benfica, Arsenal and Spammers is really so much different to gettin kicked out by Norwich, Leeds or Basle???



I don't have desire for him to continue as next season manager. To me he is caretaker. Just pointed out that we're not leaking much more than we did under AVB, but on the other hand are scoring vastly more. Then again, almost anyone pulled from the street would've been impovement over AVB. Besides this has little to do with me, it was you who wanted to paint hapless one as better than he was.

So you don't think we were harder to break down under AVB as we were under Sherwood? Right now it's a free-for-all sweet grab for ALL oppositions. Agreed on the goals scored point, but we all know that was down to the strikers particularly Soldado. If he scored HALF the goals expected of him we'd have probably been in the top four come end of December.

 

[FinnYid]

So you don't think we were harder to break down under AVB as we were under Sherwood?

Well, we haven't conceded much more if that's what you're asking and while we are leaking bit more, we are scoring abundance compared to AVB.

Agreed on the goals scored point, but we all know that was down to the strikers particularly Soldado.

AVB didn't manage a single goal by Eriksen and one measly assist on PL. It was partly down to strikers, it was mostly down to AVB and his worthless tactics (which largely effected Soldado and his confidence)

As we are on stats zone, AVB did worse with unlimited budget on Chelsea (points per game) than Sherwood has done with Spurs since taking over. Now how bad is that? Seriously? And we hired him???? Sherwood has many faults, but his biggest failure was to be pro AVB appointment.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Well, we haven't conceded much more if that's what you're asking and while we are leaking bit more, we are scoring abundance compared to AVB.



AVB didn't manage a single goal by Eriksen and one measly assist on PL. It was partly down to strikers, it was mostly down to AVB and his worthless tactics (which largely effected Soldado and his confidence)

As we are on stats zone, AVB did worse with unlimited budget on Chelsea (points per game) than Sherwood has done with Spurs since taking over. Now how bad is that? Seriously? And we hired him???? Sherwood has many faults, but his biggest failure was to be pro AVB appointment.

You're like a broken record. Sherwood is awful, your opinion of AVB (which I feel is incorrect) does not influence that.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Well, we haven't conceded much more if that's what you're asking and while we are leaking bit more, we are scoring abundance compared to AVB.



AVB didn't manage a single goal by Eriksen and one measly assist on PL. It was partly down to strikers, it was mostly down to AVB and his worthless tactics (which largely effected Soldado and his confidence)

As we are on stats zone, AVB did worse with unlimited budget on Chelsea (points per game) than Sherwood has done with Spurs since taking over. Now how bad is that? Seriously? And we hired him???? Sherwood has many faults, but his biggest failure was to be pro AVB appointment.

So even today, you ARE happy that AVB was fired and Sherwood was hired. Even after all that's transpired...Wow I just simply find that fascinating.

Anyway - I don't agree with your assessment for obvious reasons as well as those repeatedly stated on these forums. You're also not considering the fact that AVB had a HUGE influx of new players and had to radically change his system to accommodate signings that never played in England before. Even today, we see how hard this is, yet you're quick to put all of this on AVB's doorstep. Just about every manager in the EPL saw what a stupid, callous move it was to fire him without letting him finish out the season particularly when he provided Spurs with a record-winning start to any Premiership campaign despite the drastic alteration.

 

[dondo]

They're certainly not playing about it, and Sherwood himself said so.

They were not that great under avb either , maybe its the the players? You can tell the player to play from the 1st second, be focused and fight for every ball all day every day, but if the players have the wrong attitude and simply dont give a shit , the motivation and tactics go out the window

 

[CrazyHeart]

You're like a broken record. Sherwood is awful, your opinion of AVB (which I feel is incorrect) does not influence that.

Freakin' agreed. While AVB has broken records for Spurs, his critics sound like broken records.

 

[SlickMongoose]

So even today, you ARE happy that AVB was fired and Sherwood was hired. Even after all that's transpired...Wow I just simply find that fascinating.

Well, I am too. More goals and more youth players coming through is great.