Chris Finch
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That's not a bad card I suppose
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I'm interested to see how they split this card up. Do they add a 6th fight to the main card for Khabib/Johnson or Edgar/Stephens?
fatpiranha
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That's a great card.
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I thought i read on one of the better informed MMA media that Edgar is headlining the prelims (also this card has wiggle room if someone falls out injured)
How the shite has that boring arse conspiracy nut Dim Kennedy wormed his way onto this card, he's not been of relevance since the last time he wasn't of relevance how has he ended up on the daddy card? Grant me one wish i hope Rashad throws a fucking kick for once and adds to the only other time he threw a kick that resulted in a head kick KO.
Jesus 2007 the last time Rashad threw a proper kick in a fight...
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Lineker vs Dodson was an interesting fight. I thought Dodson clearly won though so a dodgy decision but happy to watch that again.
How could it be anything other than a points win for Bisping?
This isn't boxing, you don't get a 10-8 round for a knock down (just just get an advantageous position and chance to finish)
Hendos knock down and follow up GnP was enough to take the first but the second he was dominated aside from the knock down and was unable to follow it up
3rd and 4th were clear Bisping rounds and the 5th while much closer with a few decent strikes and a take down was still just about won by Bisping in my eyes
Fantastic performace by Henderson despite the loss and still a fitting end to a hall of fame career but come on man you're talking with emotion rather than your head when you say Hendo should have got the decision
Great results for Mousasi and Manuwa tonight too and a very impressive finish against Brad picket
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gloriousbillynich
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Don't talk shit. Bisping clearly won.
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Not 49-46 as one judge had it...
He got knocked down twice so at best he was a 46 point scorer himself.
I had Hendo a point ahead going into the last round. Yes, Bisping had more significant strikes per round, but Hendo did far more damage when he landed his strikes.
Home crowd advantage swung the decision.
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No, not 49-46 but I still think Bisping edged it.
Wait, what?
This isn't boxing. You don't automatically win the round 10-8 for scoring a knock down under mma scoring (well you don't technically in boxing either but in practice generally do)
Because mma is far more fluid and there is no break and 10 count for a knock down the act of knocking someone down in itself is not reward the same way it is in boxing, it's just a significant moment in a round as opposed to the defining moment of a round (scoring a knock down presents you a great opportunity to finish the fight that's the reward rather than an automatic 10-8 round win)
What happens before or after the knock down is vital still in mma
First round Bisping started off well but the knock down change things and Henderson landed some big shots on the ground after the knock down to flip the round on its head and take it 10-9
Second round Bisping was dominant again but again Henderson landed a knock down punch, although he was unable to follow it up with anything significant - difficult round to judge could be 10-9 to either man
3 and 4 were clear 10-9 rounds to Bisping so Bisping could only have been 2 rounds up or level going in to the last surely, I don't see how you possibly had him a round down unless you're applying boxing scoring to your view of the fight
Last round was closer than 3 and 4 and Henderson got the take down but was unable to do anything to make the take down count and he was unable to really land a big punch despite swinging for the fences, while Bisping consistently landed shots and head kicks another 10-9 round for Bisping
So for my money it was a decision victory for Bisping either 49-46 or 48-47 depending on whether you preferred his overall work in round 2 or the Hendo knock down at the end of the round. Much as I think it would have been a great story and fitting end to Henderson's career I can't see a case for him taking it on points and he was just unable to find that finish despite being so close
I would personally like to see a rubber match. I think Henderson earned one more shot and seeing as he's tied 1-1 with Bisping a decider in Vegas for the title and one last goodbye and chance to go out on top for Henderson would be very fitting for such an outstanding career in the sport (plus none of the challengers are anymore deserving of the shot as of now than Henderson after his war with Bisping and I suspect there would be more crowd interest in the 3rd fight in Vegas than there would be in Bisping vs Weidman or Rockhold for example)
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Well I had great time! Nearly every fight was a good one. And a Bisping v Hendo was crazy! I have no idea how Bisping survived twice - looking forward to watching it again on TV. I had Bisping winning, just.. I think the crowd pulled him through - the atmosphere was really good - especially as it started around 5am.
Our view wasn't bad considering we were literally the last row of the arena! I'm not sure I'd go again if the event starts at like 1AM though. Spent so much money as we got to Manchester around 11AM on Saturday.
Was great to go to a live event though. Reckon I will try and go to one in Vegas next
Our view wasn't bad considering we were literally the last row of the arena! I'm not sure I'd go again if the event starts at like 1AM though. Spent so much money as we got to Manchester around 11AM on Saturday.
Was great to go to a live event though. Reckon I will try and go to one in Vegas next
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It was close. We've seen a lot of fights recently where the person going forward gets the decision despite doing less damage. Lineker vs Dodson was a classic example. I thought Dodson clearly won but Lineker got the decision and the only reason I can think why is that Lineker was the aggressor, Perhaps the UFC are trying to encourage interesting fights but it does undervalue the art of avoiding taking punishment and countering your opponents attacks.
Back to the fight itself -
Round 1 - Bisping was winning the round until the H-bomb landed. He took a fair amount of ground and pound too. Clearly Hendo's round and a borderline 10-8. I'd probably have gone 10-9 as Bisping dominated until the knockdown.
Round 2 - Again Bisping's round until the knock down. You could argue either way but I gave it to Hendo 10-9.
Round 3 - Bisping 10-9.
Round 4 - Closer but again Bisping 10-9.
Round 5 - Could have gone either way but Bisping landed more significant strikes. The takedown was pretty meaningless as Hendo didn't really do any damage. If forced to choose a winner i'd give it to Bisping but it was pretty even.
So I made it 48-47 Bisping but if it had gone 48-46 Hendo I wouldn't argue. It was a close bout and a credit to the heart and skill of both fighters. It was a great fight and in my mind the decision was irrelevant. Both fighters and MMA won.
Using mma scoring I really don't understand how anyone could score the fight anything other than 49-46 or 48-47 Bisping depending on how they decide to score the 2nd (personally I prefer damage so scored that one to Hendo for a 48-47 Bisping win) but I honestly can't see a valid argument for any other score under the constraints of UFC rules for judging of fights
Personally I would prefer the fight to be judged as a whole rather than round by round and those points added up like Pride FC scoring used to be in Japan (I'm sure i;ve made this point previously in this thread)
It always seems a bit unfair to me when someone sneaks a couple of rounds but loses one big and still manages to edge the fight. But as of now those are the scoring rules in the UFC so it had to be scored a win for Bisping and all 3 judges were correct within their own perspective just one differed on his scoring of round two and went for the bulk of the work done rather than the most significant single moment of the round
I wonder if Hendo would come back for a rematch if Dana offered it to him (surely he would)
Anyway on to UFC 205 now - best looking card ever in my eyes
Personally I would prefer the fight to be judged as a whole rather than round by round and those points added up like Pride FC scoring used to be in Japan (I'm sure i;ve made this point previously in this thread)
It always seems a bit unfair to me when someone sneaks a couple of rounds but loses one big and still manages to edge the fight. But as of now those are the scoring rules in the UFC so it had to be scored a win for Bisping and all 3 judges were correct within their own perspective just one differed on his scoring of round two and went for the bulk of the work done rather than the most significant single moment of the round
I wonder if Hendo would come back for a rematch if Dana offered it to him (surely he would)
Anyway on to UFC 205 now - best looking card ever in my eyes
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The latest UFC 205 card includes:
- Lighrweight champ Eddie Alvarez vs. featherweight champ Conor McGregor – for lightweight title
- Champ Tyron Woodley vs. Stephen Thompson – for welterweight title
- Champ Joanna Jedrzejczyk vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz – for strawweight title
- Yoel Romero vs. Chris Weidman
- Donald Cerrone vs. Kelvin Gastelum
- Raquel Pennington vs. Miesha Tate
- Frankie Edgar vs. Jeremy Stephens
- Michael Johnson vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov
- Rashad Evans vs. Tim Kennedy
- Tim Boetsch vs. Rafael Natal
- Thiago Alves vs. Jim Miller
- Lyman Good vs. Belal Muhammad
- Liz Carmouche vs. Katlyn Chookagian
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