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shashoua(#11) starting for baleares, not the greatest quality but can watch it here -
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shashoua(#11) starting for baleares, not the greatest quality but can watch it here -
Probs the wrong thread but am I right in saying Sessegnon, Sancho, Foden, TOB, Angel Gomes, Hudson-Odoi, Brewster and Griffiths are all from the same age group? Is it just luck or is there a reason why this age group in particular is ridiculously talented? It it linked to anything the FA did?
Whilst I think it was a harsh yellow, he does appeal for it, he looks at the ref and holds his arms out.He didn't even appeal for anything
What BG said. It's the coaching over the last few years coming to fruition combined with general cycle of players. This year group I think have incredible depth in every position, which I've been going on about for the last few years, but what also helps is that they are newer and haven't completely been stifled yet, so there is still hope for them, whereas our current knowledge affects how we view players in hindsight
The 97 age group's first 11, and squad depth in certain areas, could compete with 00 age group, though the lack of a LB is probably what would be the biggest difference in a head to head. I'd be interested to know what @JRSG thinks here. Players like Roberts were tearing up age group football like Sancho was, however, he then went City and everyone knows the rest. People will look at him now and say he was never near Sancho's level., even my view is slightly skewed however I remember him doing very similar things at u17 level and tearing countries and clubs apart. Roberts took apart Chelsea and while his hattrick was fortunate also single handedly took apart our very talent side in the FAYC that year. Similarly players like Onomah, who were top quality get stifled and never played then fans look at them now, then claim they were always overrated.
Realistically the only 00 that is really causing damage at the moment is Sancho because he took the brave step of going abroad, though others are in good positions to continue their progress. However if he stayed at City, only one of Foden, Sancho, or Diaz would really have stood a chance of coming through, and even one isn't guaranteed, then it would be the same ole'. He didn't work hard enough, he thought he had made it etc. We now know what the potential of some of these players are because he and others are going to leagues/clubs that give them a chance if they are good enough. Whereas here, being 'good enough' means nothing despite what fans believe.
You have mentioned Hudson-Odoi who is another I have waxed lyrical about and during preseason, everyone fell into the trap of actually believing Chelsea would change their modus-operandi. He literally tore Bellerin a new one, and can't make their League Cup bench. 2 seasons time, he could be in the same position, and the same things will be said of him as they are said about Roberts, Onomah and the 97 generation we are almost already wasting. Look at Loftus-Cheek was top class, gets no chances called lazy, goes on loan finally to a PL club, goes to the World Cup and is still behind Drinkwater. The belief that managers will play academy players if they are good enough is BS as I've always said, there are so many other factors invovled that will convince a manager not to tale the risk.
I feel after the waste of talent in the 97 age group, (I mean we are still literally doing it with KWP for example) who won 2 international competitions, I do feel there seems to be some sort of change in the waters and clubs/maanger seems to be making more of an effort with this 00 lot, but it's early stages yet. The only positive about this 00 group is there are probably 4 11s you could have made that would have been good enough to win the Euro u17s so the law of averages suggests that some may start dripping through. Players like O'Riley at Fulham who seems to have made his frist team debut, and others may start getting a look in at weaker clubs but who can really predict what goes on.
I guess my point is that yes this group is ridiculously talented but more in depth, as we have had similar age groups to them noticeably the 97s, but the reason that this group probably sticks out is because a) there seems to be more of a focus to bring them through, b) some are actually getting playing time by seeking opportunities abroad so are proving they can walk the walk as well, which previous age groups didn't get to do and c) the opinion of this age group isn't affected by stagnation that older age groups are currently viewed under making them seem even better.
On the depth thing, and what makes this even more annoying is that Man City have 3 other wingers from this age group in Matondo, Poveda and Richards who stand no chance of coming through there but would likely be starting in other age groups. Along with Hudson-Odoi it's just talent being wasted. Also in the players you mentioned above Ampadu was also in this age group but not deemed good enough at u16s. Really is crazy depth
Whilst I think it was a harsh yellow, he does appeal for it, he looks at the ref and holds his arms out.
Take the Spurs blinkers off lads ffs!
I agree with most of this. An important point you raise is that they're too young to have let us down yet, so we're always going to judge them more favourably than the 97s until we have the benefit of hindsight. One way to look at it is that Oakley-Boothe's 2018/19 season is the equivalent of Onomah's 15/16 season. Limited minutes, but Onomah made 19 appearances for Spurs that year, TOB will be lucky to get 1. Solanke was out playing regular football in the Eredivisie at the same age. The likes of Izzy Brown were real prospects back then. It's very easy to write players off too quickly + to wave the new generation in and laud them as massive upgrades.
That being said, the English 2000s are very special and there's loads of depth. Especially when we consider that the 'late bloomer' or undiscovered guys haven't appeared yet. Tammy Abraham, Tomori, Clarke-Salter, Walker-Peters, James Maddison, Calvert-Lewin, Demarai Gray, Wan-Bissaka, Ezri Konsa, Ade Lookman, Tuanzebe, Joe Worrall, Ronaldo Vieira, Eddie Nketiah, Harvey Barnes, Ovie Ejaria have all been capped in the current U21 cycle and none of them played for the England U17s. Some of them didn't feature till they were U20s. So there will be newer 2000 names that come through, probably this season and next to challenge for U20 + U21 spots next season.
Skipp was apparently training with the team today and would make a fair amount of sense. Expect whoever it is is pretty unlikely to get on the pitch anywaySo with the injuries to the first team, it looks like one of our youth players will make up the numbers for the bench. Who does everyone think or want it to be?
Will probably be Amos or Skipp.
Haven't seen enough of either to say who.
Amos got injured in Blackburn game U23s last week , so doubt that he will be a contenderHope Skipp, will likely be Amos due to age and experience. Neither will get on