The Spurs Transfer Wishlist & Scouting Thread

[heelspurs]

Not Tielemans, but the others I agree. I have issues with some of the players Poch declined. And I agree on your point on their recruitment. We have an excellent recruitment network. It is tgr manager who has been the issue in the null previous windows.

So just putting 2 and 2 together this would mean that the manager wasn't sold on the Argie GLC from PSG for a loan +20M option in the previous summer window when we were desperate for MFers, he had to completely change us into a long-long-balling team, and it was clear to anyone with with a brain that CE wasn't going to sign (even though it isn't a crime to have 2 capable players for each position) but was bonkers over him for a loan + option for 60M 1 year later. This sounds completely copacetic and in no way should it warrant a rebuke of some sort from higher ups for the 40M blunder.

 

[LeParisien]

I’ll be happy if in the next year we add 2 defenders and 1 dm. That’ll do if they’re world class potential or already very good

 

[double0]

I think people need to understand until now that the wheels are coming off with players not signing contracts and certain players levels dropping off dramatically, we had a squad of players not easily upgraded in our position and price range. We seemed to have problems in getting our first choice players and our second or third choices were far removed. You could understand why Pochettino was reluctant to sanction inferior players coming in , as to get them out is/ was a major issue.

 

[Lighty64]

I just don’t know how the club can move on if the manager won’t sanction signings. He has to sign off on players but I just get the feeling he’s got too much power at the club now. I can see why he’s been given it by Levy, but if results don’t change and we want to keep Poch, then maybe it will give Daniel the leverage to force Poch to be a bit more accommodating.

Again, it comes down to the manager being flexible. He’s being painted now as a guy who isn’t, both in terms of transfers and his team selection and tactics. Reading his book and seeing his public face, we know he hasn’t always been like this. It seems our relative success with him really has boosted his arrogance. Top managers have always had that (and they need it) but they’ve always had the nous to listen to those around them. I thought Poch did that, but maybe not so much any more. I’d love to know what his coaching team do to help him with aspects like that, hopefully they aren’t just yes men. That’s no help.

think it was @Hercules that said it towards the end of the 2018 window that Levy also wanted the deadwood gone.

so no way was Poch going to sign plan b's or plan C's and possibly have more deadwood. that summer we had a squad of 28 1st teamers. 2 went out on loan, Janssen was injured. the players we wanted to sell where

Rose = no offers
Toby = United didn't want to pay 75m
Sissoko = turned out to be 1 of our most important players
Dembele = he didn't fancy Italy by sounds of it
Wanyama = wouldn't have passed a medical, on this one, it's a shame Levy never bit the bullet and just paid him to stay at home

we had 12 players that had NO pre-season, and people wonder why we burnt-out come February.

if Poch could have got his 2-3 on his wanted list, there is still no guarantee they would of 100% settled, or not got injured themselves. Last season was always going to be a tough one with all the disruption we had, and never had any cover for Dier who would have been better than no-one.

this season I'm sure we expected someone to snap Toby up for 25m, and never expected Eriksen to be so unprofessional and blow hot and cold, or to have disruption with Jan.

 

[Lighty64]

So just putting 2 and 2 together this would mean that the manager wasn't sold on the Argie GLC from PSG for a loan +20M option in the previous summer window when we were desperate for MFers, he had to completely change us into a long-long-balling team, and it was clear to anyone with with a brain that CE wasn't going to sign (even though it isn't a crime to have 2 capable players for each position) but was bonkers over him for a loan + option for 60M 1 year later. This sounds completely copacetic and in no way should it warrant a rebuke of some sort from higher ups for the 40M blunder.

I don't know the exact date GLC left PSG on that deal, but he left PSG playing as a DM, and Poch was trying to sign De Jong

 

[wrd]

So just putting 2 and 2 together this would mean that the manager wasn't sold on the Argie GLC from PSG for a loan +20M option in the previous summer window when we were desperate for MFers, he had to completely change us into a long-long-balling team, and it was clear to anyone with with a brain that CE wasn't going to sign (even though it isn't a crime to have 2 capable players for each position) but was bonkers over him for a loan + option for 60M 1 year later. This sounds completely copacetic and in no way should it warrant a rebuke of some sort from higher ups for the 40M blunder.

How have you got to this conclusion when they were discussing Leicester players?

 

[Japhet]

So just putting 2 and 2 together this would mean that the manager wasn't sold on the Argie GLC from PSG for a loan +20M option in the previous summer window when we were desperate for MFers, he had to completely change us into a long-long-balling team, and it was clear to anyone with with a brain that CE wasn't going to sign (even though it isn't a crime to have 2 capable players for each position) but was bonkers over him for a loan + option for 60M 1 year later. This sounds completely copacetic and in no way should it warrant a rebuke of some sort from higher ups for the 40M blunder.

What incredible foresight you must have. Did you also know that Toby and Jan's form would drop off the edge of a cliff, Dier would similarly be all over the place, Eriksen would be lying when he said he'd sign a new deal if the right offer didn't materialise in the summer, GLC would pick up a long term injury on International duty and Sessegnon's minor hamstring injury would sideline him for 3 months?

It's all so bloody easy with hindsight.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[heelspurs]

I think people need to understand until now that the wheels are coming off with players not signing contracts and certain players levels dropping off dramatically, we had a squad of players not easily upgraded in our position and price range. We seemed to have problems in getting our first choice players and our second or third choices were far removed. You could understand why Pochettino was reluctant to sanction inferior players coming in , as to get them out is/ was a major issue.

This is tosh. Our squad is/was/will be easy to upgrade and even in the inertial window this line of apologia was debunked. As a matter of fact we literally spent/will spend 60M on a player that was available that summer for 1/3 the cost. If our scouting team that's so great (seeing is believing and I ain't seen shit from them) 'missed' the hiding-in-plain-sight GLC last summer then there's a problem.

And as for Poch, there is nothing in his play/tactics so far on display that makes it so difficult to find a player. He ain't Guardiola, we aren't Barca 2010, none of his previously sanctioned players were Iniesta, and he took 2 years to recognize that Mousa Dembele should be played in CM FFS. I am not sure his eye for a player should relied upon.

And I say this as someone that has recognized this for quite a long time (>3 seasons) and as a staunch PochIn-er. Criticism and recognition of a player or manager's faults does not mean I hate them or they need to be removed. It just means that they aren't perfect like every other player or manager.

edit: bolded the specific part of the initial post

 

[heelspurs]

How have you got to this conclusion when they were discussing Leicester players?

Because the post literally attributed the 'null windows' to the manager.

It is the manager who has been the issue in the null previous windows.

It didn't say the manager was the problem only for Leicester players did it? It shouldn't be that hard to keep up but do try in the future.

 

[heelspurs]

think it was @Hercules that said it towards the end of the 2018 window that Levy also wanted the deadwood gone.

It is my understanding that ITK should still be taken with some salt. It didn't seem like there was too much effort to move people on last summer. Tripps didn't seem to have too much trouble getting out and his price didn't seem too high either.

I don't know the exact date GLC left PSG on that deal, but he left PSG playing as a DM, and Poch was trying to sign De Jong

GLC was and has always been a CM. He was a makeshift DM, at times, for PSG. Marquinhos is also playing DM for PSG but he has been a starting CB for them previous years. Would Poch not take him for CB because he is presently playing DM?

What incredible foresight you must have. Did you also know that Toby and Jan's form would drop off the edge of a cliff, Dier would similarly be all over the place, Eriksen would be lying when he said he'd sign a new deal if the right offer didn't materialise in the summer, GLC would pick up a long term injury on International duty and Sessegnon's minor hamstring injury would sideline him for 3 months?

It's all so bloody easy with hindsight.

Hindsight. GLC and Sessegnon's injuries are hazards of the trade but somewhat predictable in the player's first year with higher physical demands of a pressing team. But no, I didn't predict them nor do I attribute our form to that. We were crap all of last year (and the run-in of the previous season) but you were probably too busy happy clapping your way to the CL final.

The others were predictable, predicted, and on display for all to see. Dier? If it's taken you until now to see his unsuitability to the DM or his general faults then I don't know what to tell you. Eriksen should never have been allowed to get to his last year of contract and should have had competition a few seasons ago. It is completely inexplicable that we have had 1 player as our creative fulcrum. And that has gone on for some seasons now. Jan and Toby? Jan's decline has been on display since the Juventus game and Toby has been playing contract sill buggers for a few years now.

Was hindsight really needed? I guess for some.

 

[wrd]

Because the post literally attributed the 'null windows' to the manager.

It didn't say the manager was the problem only for Leicester players did it? It shouldn't be that hard to keep up but do try in the future.

But theres literally no evidence and nothing hercules said that indicates that Poch turned down Lo Celso when he was at PSG and you've just condemed Poch over it despite it coming from nowhere.

Imagine being a sarcastic bellend as youve literally made something up and tried to use it to justify a point. Fucking pathetic

 

[Blake Griffin]

tbf, given all the shopping we've done at psg it makes you wonder why we passed on lo celso, did he really make such a mammoth step last season that he's gone from being a player we don't want to being a player we couldn't possibly do without? i remember seeing him for psg away to madrid and he looked decent, though i seem to recall him costing them a goal or giving away a penalty but otherwise i was impressed with how brave he was on the ball.

 

[wrd]

tbf, given all the shopping we've done at psg it makes you wonder why we passed on lo celso, did he really make such a mammoth step last season that he's gone from being a player we don't want to being a player we couldn't possibly do without? i remember seeing him for psg away to madrid and he looked decent, though i seem to recall him costing them a goal or giving away a penalty but otherwise i was impressed with how brave he was on the ball.

Who says we did pass on him? We cant keep tabs on every player who may be unperforming but might come good. I dont know why people are suddenly being critical of us not signing players a year earlier in hindsight.

 

[dk-yid]

In the next two windows we need a keeper, RB & DM for definite, and possibly a CB and playmaker depending on the outs.

I'd take Schmeichel as the keeper. He may be 32 but he has never been better.

 

[heelspurs]

But theres literally no evidence and nothing hercules said that indicates that Poch turned down Lo Celso when he was at PSG and you've just condemed Poch over it despite it coming from nowhere.

Imagine being a sarcastic bellend as youve literally made something up and tried to use it to justify a point. Fucking pathetic

So, are you suggesting that we weren't aware of the goings on and FFP situation at PSG - a team we purchased a player from the year previously and are reported to be on good terms with? Are you suggesting our scouting team and our coaching staff of Argentines weren't familiar with GLC, an Argie playing for a top team in Europe? So it is reasonable to you that an Argentinean player that PSG are looking to move on wasn't within our sights? Do you believe Spurs made a 60M decision based on 8 months of work by an unknown player?


And how did I "condemn" Poch in a post where I literally say that I'm a "staunch PochIn-er"? As my post said 'putting 2 and 2 together' so it was clear it was conjecture my friend (notice I didn't even have to resort to calling you abusive names to make my point). Pathetic indeed.

 

[pennywise]

I wonder whether Sander Berge is still an option, he is doing extremely well for Norway against Spain.

 

[Bigdaddyguff]

Wonder how much barrios would cost now, think he could he brilliant for us.

 

[kthwlsn]

Who says we did pass on him? We cant keep tabs on every player who may be unperforming but might come good. I dont know why people are suddenly being critical of us not signing players a year earlier in hindsight.

Suddenly?

 

[JayB]

Lo Celso left PSG on the European deadline, August 31 2018. The English window had closed on August 9. I didn't follow the transfer at all so this is completely speculative, but it seems entirely possible that he wasn't even made available until it was too late for us. Unless I'm mistaken I believe it's the case that PSG only sent him to Betis in a desperate bid to comply with FFP regulations, which is why Betis got him on such favorable terms. It could easily have been the case that they were looking for solutions to their FFP issues throughout the window and didn't want to let one of their best young talents go for a pittance until the deadline arrived and they had no alternative.

There's plenty of good reason to be critical of our transfer setup but I'm not sure missing out on Lo Celso in summer 2018 is one of them.