midoshairband
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Archer is being misused, but i agree he hasn’t bowled brilliantly so far in his test career, bar a couple of innings v Aus.
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Archer is being misused, but i agree he hasn’t bowled brilliantly so far in his test career, bar a couple of innings v Aus.
Wsussexspur
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Not surprising really! Pathetic all round!
Spurs_Bear
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Understand your point and would have agreed before this test, but he’s a fast bowler and needs to bowl fast. There’s no point him strolling in and bowling a couple of mph quicker than Curran.
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Recall Trott, Bell, Peitersen and the Chef. We might get to 250 then.
midoshairband
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no quite right. but i’ve made the (long winded) point about workload previously in this thread. he is being criminally misused by Root and England in general.
but in general, you’re right, there is little point him playing bowling the way he has been.
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That could go down as the worst review in Test history from Markram...
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It really doesn't take a genius of a captain to pull Joffra Archer aside and say, I'm giving you the new ball..I want you to bowl over 90mph for a 5 over spell. Rough these new batsmen up, and let Anderson probe around off stump.
Root goes by the script, and gives Broad and Anderson the new ball.
His treatment/managemant of Archer is awful. Archer now feels he's the 4th seamer..what an absolute waste of time and talent. We saw the same in New Zealand.
Root goes by the script, and gives Broad and Anderson the new ball.
His treatment/managemant of Archer is awful. Archer now feels he's the 4th seamer..what an absolute waste of time and talent. We saw the same in New Zealand.
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Just saw it omg!
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He opened the bowling in New Zealand and bowled at 84mph...
dondo
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The ball has been seaming and swinging all over the place and England get 4 early wickets then bowl non stop bouncers at them for half an hour?? Root clearly hasn’t read the copy of cricket captain for dummies I sent him for Christmas
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Really have to wonder 1) what the ECB see in root as a captain that no one else does as obviously they see something as he should have been stood down after the ashes.. 2) how much longer must this ruderless ship go on under his leadership. He needs to be stood down as captain and told to concentrate on his batting and getting back to being one of the best batsmen in the world
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nattydredd
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Yeah, I wonder why he didn't open his shoulders and charge in. Its usually the captain that riles up the bowlers for an opening spell of hostility.
I stand by my comment that Archer has been handled terribly since last summers ashes.
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As much as I don’t rate root as captain, I really don’t think he should have to rile up fast blowers to bowl fast
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I just think it’s very fashionable to blame the leader in this day and age. It’s the same with Mourinho/Ndombele. Ndombele is a fat, out of shape **** but people are scared to say anything about it. The same with Archer, we see him rattle Smith with 96mph deliveries, then when he can’t be bothered and doesn’t fancy it, it’s always Roots fault.
Root’s last interview in NZ was quite telling, it was almost an admission of “Jofra bowls quick when he fancies it”. I watched a decent amount of the cricket today, and also listened to some on Talksport. Mark Butcher was on comms saying how Root had been giving Archer a pep talk before the days play, instigating that there is a some sort of issue that Archer has with motivation, then you watch him pick up a couple of wickets going at 10 an over in the second innings and ending the day with 2 beamers that a 10 year old would have been proud of.
I’m certainly no Root apologist where captaincy goes, but there’s comes a time when the players have to take responsibility.
nattydredd
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The captain creates the atmosphere that inspires their players to perform at their best, that's part of his job. If all players were left to set their own targets we'd be in a right state in test cricket...oh, hang on.
This team is currently rudderless.
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Anderson and Broad have over 1000 test wickets between them. Archer has 24. Not sure the lad has earned the right to open the bowling ahead of those two just yet.
nattydredd
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Archer has the tools, age, pace on his side. He's played all around the world, although he has limited test experience. As others have stated, he may have a suspect attitude for self motivation. I must admit with Root as captain, I'd struggle to respond to him. If Root has talked to him about this fine, but it's clearly not sinking in is it ? This is a failing of the captain and his motivational skills.
The captain of a cricket team is so important, it's totally key. Tactically he must be astute and be able to react to game conditions and scenarios. Root does not do this. He lets things wander, relying on *others* to perform well in order to appear in charge.
Yes, the 2 bowlers that you state have over 1000 wickets between them, over a lot of years. I rate Anderson hugely, but Broad is very hit and miss. He rarely bends his back. I'd give Archer the new ball over Broad any day of the week, in any conditions.
