Spurs Youth Thread 20/21

[coy-spurs1882]

If If If.

get your head out the clouds and come to the real world. my point stands.

try propose and elaborate before jumping to a false conclusion would you?

 

[ShelfWatcher]

I’d love to have heard the comments about Hoddle when he was just breaking through “ Nah this kid will never make it, he can’t tackle “ lol.

? I think the sheer wonder of Hoddles talent got him past such comments which definitely were in the air throughout his career.
Some of my friends saw him before I did and were raving about him. The first time I saw him was on TV when he put that superb shot past Shilton, and I was hooked straightaway.
It's also worth remembering that early on Glenn got forward more and scored lots of goals for a mid
Unfortunately his back problems hindered his pace and mobility. Plus the wear and tear of being hacked to pieces by 70s and 80s neantherdahls
Had Glenn not had those back issues, he would have been up there with the Platinis in terms of all round brilliance
As it was he was our Glenn and more than wonderful enough, and equally brilliant for Monaco too

 

[ShelfWatcher]

Was Winks ever touted as being Better than Skipp looked ? I know they didn't compete against one another in youth teams. I mean those who watched Winks and then Skipp was it always clear Skipp had the higher ceiling?

I think before his terrible injury Winks had a very high ceiling. It makes me sad to this day how such a freak injury when he was playing so well has so hampered his career

 

[Tottenham_God]

I think before his terrible injury Winks had a very high ceiling. It makes me sad to this day how such a freak injury when he was playing so well has so hampered his career

But compared to skipp at the same age?

 

[ShelfWatcher]

But compared to skipp at the same age?

I don't know the two players ages exactly. But I think pre injury a young Winks was probably thought to have a higher ceiling at comparable ages. But other Academy watchers will probably have a better idea on that.
There's no doubt now that Skipp has the higher ceiling. Thankfully, that awful injury he picked up seems to have healed okay. Must admit I was really worried about that.
You just never know with injuries and other health and muscular problems. Had Greavesie never got hepatitis he would probably have played better in the world cup group games. But still had he not injured v France, he would have played v Argentina. Sliding doors, here there and everywhere
Many people dont know that Brian Clough was a proflic goalscorer, on course to break records before injury cut his career short. Then he went early into management...

 

[vintagespurs]

? I think the sheer wonder of Hoddles talent got him past such comments which definitely were in the air throughout his career.
Some of my friends saw him before I did and were raving about him. The first time I saw him was on TV when he put that superb shot past Shilton, and I was hooked straightaway.
It's also worth remembering that early on Glenn got forward more and scored lots of goals for a mid
Unfortunately his back problems hindered his pace and mobility. Plus the wear and tear of being hacked to pieces by 70s and 80s neantherdahls
Had Glenn not had those back issues, he would have been up there with the Platinis in terms of all round brilliance
As it was he was our Glenn and more than wonderful enough, and equally brilliant for Monaco too

I saw him in the FAYC 1975-6 against Burnley and Wolves. He was from a different galaxy from all of the other players. My favourite insult from the Hoddle naysayers was he would not make it because he was a 'ballerina' not a footballer.

The one player who I really thought would have a big career who didn't make it was Ali Dick. I saw him give Paul Parker the run around in the SJFC in 1980-81 at Craven Cottage.. He won the tie with a brilliant solo goal . I guess injuries ruined his career.

 

[sammyj]

I had the privilege to watch Glenn hoddle started with shilton and ended with Oxford , at times breathtaking without doubt the best ever to come through our academy

 

[Delboy75]

The big advantage Skipp has always had over Winks is that he has an obvious position and a natural defensive ability. When Winks first came through I don’t think anyone thought of him as a CDM. In fact I think some thought he might even be a 10. But when the goals Assist side of his game didn’t really develop you are left with the player he is today. Basically just OK in a few midfield areas without excelling anywhere in particular.

 

[chinaman]

? I think the sheer wonder of Hoddles talent got him past such comments which definitely were in the air throughout his career.
Some of my friends saw him before I did and were raving about him. The first time I saw him was on TV when he put that superb shot past Shilton, and I was hooked straightaway.
It's also worth remembering that early on Glenn got forward more and scored lots of goals for a mid
Unfortunately his back problems hindered his pace and mobility. Plus the wear and tear of being hacked to pieces by 70s and 80s neantherdahls
Had Glenn not had those back issues, he would have been up there with the Platinis in terms of all round brilliance
As it was he was our Glenn and more than wonderful enough, and equally brilliant for Monaco too

If Alfie Conn had been more successful and stayed with us, would Hoddle have blossomed a lot later?

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Was Winks ever touted as being Better than Skipp looked ? I know they didn't compete against one another in youth teams. I mean those who watched Winks and then Skipp was it always clear Skipp had the higher ceiling?

Winks was quite a bit earlier than Skipp and my take on Winks as a young player was that he was a very tidy player looked after the ball which is something which the coaches like - he rarely stood out in the side his role was to recycle the ball and he was good at it - he was always liked by the coaching staff but in comparison to Onomah who was really good in the same side Josh might have been a year younger I would have favoured Josh

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I saw him in the FAYC 1975-6 against Burnley and Wolves. He was from a different galaxy from all of the other players. My favourite insult from the Hoddle naysayers was he would not make it because he was a 'ballerina' not a footballer.

The one player who I really thought would have a big career who didn't make it was Ali Dick. I saw him give Paul Parker the run around in the SJFC in 1980-81 at Craven Cottage.. He won the tie with a brilliant solo goal . I guess injuries ruined his career.

Ally was so exciting as a youngster he had pace and a low centre of gravity I think was at that same game - I remember him scoring at Norwich for the first team what a goal wingers were kind of out of fashion - he went to Ajax when I was playing albeit very poorly - in a drunken daze we went to Spain for a tournament and Ajax third team played against us including Ally he almost made me wish that I hadn't broken curfew and not got in at six in the morning in time for breakfast as he went past me at will

 

[ShelfWatcher]

If Alfie Conn had been more successful and stayed with us, would Hoddle have blossomed a lot later?

Good question, we'll never know, but it's true in those days Conn and Hoddle in the same team may have been deemed to be risky
Another what if, had Souness stayed. Hoddle Ardilles Souness, title winners?

 

[ShelfWatcher]

To me pre injury Winks had a bit of devil about him, an edge, besides his undoubted ball recycling skills. He'd get stuck in and get forward, always remember that West Ham goal.

 

[allatsea]

? I think the sheer wonder of Hoddles talent got him past such comments which definitely were in the air throughout his career.
Some of my friends saw him before I did and were raving about him. The first time I saw him was on TV when he put that superb shot past Shilton, and I was hooked straightaway.
It's also worth remembering that early on Glenn got forward more and scored lots of goals for a mid
Unfortunately his back problems hindered his pace and mobility. Plus the wear and tear of being hacked to pieces by 70s and 80s neantherdahls
Had Glenn not had those back issues, he would have been up there with the Platinis in terms of all round brilliance
As it was he was our Glenn and more than wonderful enough, and equally brilliant for Monaco too

I watched him a couple of times down at the old Cheshunt Training Ground actually standing next to the great Sir Bill on one occasion. He must have been 14 or 15 at the time he was so outstanding it took your breath away. Such a great talent.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

First time I saw Hoddle was first game in second div away to Blackpool. Won 2-0. Glenn scored with a far post header complete with long curly perm and moustache !!!!

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Yep, feel the same, just love watching him play. As far as skilful exciting players go, he's the best Academy prospect I've see since Hoddle.
I'm not saying he will be better than Kane or even Skipp. Almost certainly he won't achieve anything like Harry, but there's a touch of Messiesque magic about him that is brilliant to behold

More Aguero than Messi or Kane, IMO. Good to watch.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I saw him in the FAYC 1975-6 against Burnley and Wolves. He was from a different galaxy from all of the other players. My favourite insult from the Hoddle naysayers was he would not make it because he was a 'ballerina' not a footballer.

The one player who I really thought would have a big career who didn't make it was Ali Dick. I saw him give Paul Parker the run around in the SJFC in 1980-81 at Craven Cottage.. He won the tie with a brilliant solo goal . I guess injuries ruined his career.

Atilla the stockbroker. Bastard. But funny with it…

 

[DogsOfWar]

But compared to skipp at the same age?

Skipp was probably rated more highly earlier as a youngster because his role relies on physicality, determination, and attitude which he showed in spades as a youngster.

Winks suddenly shot to prominence when he first played in the first team. He was like Modric-lite, always on the move looking for the ball and recycling it more positively than now. Not sure what went wrong with him, injury, played too far back making him risk averse, or just got too comfortable but he could/should have developed into the player that pulled the strings in front of PEH and Skipp.

Skipp was always going to become our DM, but his ceiling depends on how far he can push his skillset in terms of getting forward when the opportunity presents itself, and developing the ability to receive the ball in tight areas and playing out. He showed this at Youth level but he still needs to show it at Prem level (this isn't a criticism as he needs to walk before he can run).

 

[DannyNZ]

The big advantage Skipp has always had over Winks is that he has an obvious position and a natural defensive ability. When Winks first came through I don’t think anyone thought of him as a CDM. In fact I think some thought he might even be a 10. But when the goals Assist side of his game didn’t really develop you are left with the player he is today. Basically just OK in a few midfield areas without excelling anywhere in particular.

I don’t think Winks has ever possessed the intensity that Skipp has, which is a mental thing.

 

[Delboy75]

I always feel like for Winks to play well he has to try really really hard. With Skipp it just feels more natural even though he’s still blood and thunder.