beats1
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Spurs Youth Thread 20/21
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DJS
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Been suggested before we buy a right back we’re gonna look at our academy.
I‘m all for that tbh as rather than splashing cash hopefully giving Lavinier a chance, otherwise what’s the point in our youth set up!
As we should have done with KWP who was handled very poorly by Poch.
(hope it’s okay to put this here but seemed best place to comment).
I‘m all for that tbh as rather than splashing cash hopefully giving Lavinier a chance, otherwise what’s the point in our youth set up!
As we should have done with KWP who was handled very poorly by Poch.
(hope it’s okay to put this here but seemed best place to comment).
Woo, some of that was intense.
fecka
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I like that they seemed to be going hard in training already. They looked completely knackered at the end. Nile looked very impressive as well
Westmorlandspur
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I see Alex Pritchard has signed for Sunderland on a free after leaving Huddersfield.
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Anybody notice who will be in the frame at Bologna to replace their centre half if we buy him - Luis Binks. So € 20-25 on him and about the same for Bergwein who was replaced at PSV by ...Noni from us. Seems cheaper to make these players top paid when they are at Spurs to ensure they don't leave than pay big money to replace them with arguably inferior players.
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Noni still isn't on the level Bergwijn was at PSV, same applies for Binks and Tomiyasu
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I’m not going to go into an argument on who is inferior or not. The think is there is the reason you pay more for players like Bergwijn is because it’s less risky than say, Lewis Binks. For every young player with potential without pro experience that succeeds there are tons more that fail. Paying ott wages for potential isn’t the way to go, and can be an expensive mistake that can also hinder development. Say we get this guy in from Bologna, and they get Binks may play and develop better for sure, or he may really not, the same will apply to our signing but there is more evidence and reliability that they can perform to a particular level.
For what it’s worth I think it might be a move that suits all parties. The ability you need to contribute for Bologna isn’t very high compared to Tottenham, a useful player for them would be a deadweight for us, now if players go there and end up developing into players teams like us are interested in, that can happen, but the reality is that the vast majority of such signings do not reach that level.
Binks probably would have less than 50% chance of establishing himself as a player of Bologna’s level yet alone an elite one we could be interested in in the future. This isn’t a slight on Binks’ potential, if he establishes himself in such a team that would be a massive success because most players don’t even get close to their potential. He could also stay and end up a full international, we simply don’t know, but he’s paid less and has less value because we don’t know, and statistically is actually unlikely to, this, btw, applies even to the absolute top talents of that age group. Will poetry pellegrini or Moise Kean ever make it to a level where they could be starters for Spurs? I’m not sure, but as 16 year olds they were both considered amongst the absolute best. Are they doing badly? Far from it. Just the nature of the game.
coy-spurs1882
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the way edwards, onomah and kwp was treated by poch somehow pushed these players out of the club as they thought they won't get a chance with us
eddiebailey
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The issue isn’t so much wages as opportunities. It’s difficult for a club competing at a high level to provide opportunities for young players to show their potential and develop as players. That said there are clubs that do it better than Spurs.
Westmorlandspur
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Onomah couldn’t get in the Fulham team that went down. Edwards acted like a prat at Norwich. KWP is the one who should not have gone.
beats1
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Bit Harsh considering his injuries
He was an important player for them the season before despite having knee surgery in weeks before the end of the season
Start of last season he got injured again and missed half of the season and never got back in to the team after being injured for over 6 months
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Goobers
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He had a lot of injuries. I really feel Poch got it wrong with Josh. He should have been out on lona playing football much earlier.
coy-spurs1882
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the mismanagement by poch hindered his development and eventually resulted in this
Westmorlandspur
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He played quite a few games in the first team and it all looked too much for him. Why does everybody want to blame Poch because a youth player isn’t good enough.
I agree his policy of train with the first team and no loans was wrong. The vast majority of our youth players will be nowhere near out first team. If Josh is good enough he will come back to haunt us. Plenty of youth players come back to prove coaches wrong.
Rice and Nketiah both released by Chelsea at 14.
Vardy thrown out of Sheffield Utd at 16 for being a waste of time. Agreed by the man himself.
Nearly all the wonder boys at 16 yrs old never make it.
TOB and Nya Kirby hailed as top players on this thread . Can’t get a game for Stoke and Palace ..they are now 21yrs old. Both in same World Cup winning team as Sancho. Foden and Hudson-Odoi
Some make it but most do not.
I was championing Parrott 2 yrs ago but he looked lost at Millwall and Ipswich. Hope he can get going this season but looks a bit off the pace at the moment.
Wiki lists the teams in all the youth cup finals. Have a look and see how few make it. Only exception is the Man Utd team with Giggs etc. The Leeds team who beat them in one final , virtually nobody made it at Leeds.
coy-spurs1882
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so you consider an U20 world cup winner as not good enough while he got <10 minutes in most appearance in PL and out of position instead of mismanagement by coaching team, ok
Locotoro
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Poch was used to a system where young players would compete in B teams whilst learning the philosophy of the club.
That doesn't happen in England and we have to use the loan system to full effect. If Poch was a bit more flexible in his approach to integrating youth players by allowing them the opportunity to go and get game time I think we'd have KWP and Onomah in our squad currently and both would be good enough.
That doesn't happen in England and we have to use the loan system to full effect. If Poch was a bit more flexible in his approach to integrating youth players by allowing them the opportunity to go and get game time I think we'd have KWP and Onomah in our squad currently and both would be good enough.
