Spurs Youth Thread 20/21

[Richard Howlett]

Continuity is the key while new management team beds in

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

⚽️ We can confirm that Ryan Mason has returned to the Academy as Head of Player Development.

We are pleased to announce the appointment of Stuart Lewis as our new Under 18s coach.

Do we know what has happened to Chris Powell? Think he is with England coaching at the moment.

 

[bigfrooj]

Jamie Bowden has built himself up. He’s always had promise, it’d be great if he pushes on now.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Who can name them all?

 

[Locotoro]

Who can name them all?

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Townsend and Mason is my lot

 

[Spurzinho]

Back row l to r: Anton Blackwood, Tom Carroll, Kyle Fraser-Allen, Olumide Durojaiye, Andros Townsend, Sam Cox, Charlie Daniels, Chris Riley, Troy Archibald-Henville, Ryan Mason
Front row l to r: Terry Dixon, Yaser Kasim, Stuart Lewis, Danny Hutchins

 

[Spurzinho]

Interestingly Blackwood, Cox, Riley, Archibald-Henville, Mason and Lewis are all coaching at various levels with us.

 

[Spurzinho]

The second pic is

Back row l-r: Paris Maghoma, Ajet Shehu, Jacques Maghoma, Kyle Fraser-Allen, Andros Townsend, Jordan Archer, Steven Caulker, Jon Obika
Front Row l-r: Jon Dinzeyi???, Danny Hutchins, Sam Cox, Olumide Durojaiye.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

The second pic is

Back row l-r: Paris Maghoma, Ajet Shehu, Jacques Maghoma, Kyle Fraser-Allen, Andros Townsend, Jordan Archer, Steven Caulker, Jon Obika
Front Row l-r: Jon Dinzeyi???, Danny Hutchins, Sam Cox, Olumide Durojaiye.

next can you name all of their current clubs ??

 

[Spurzinho]

next can you name all of their current clubs ??

Brentford, Retired, Spalding, Retired, Free Agent, Free Agent, Fenerbahce, Free Agent, Arsenal, Palace 'Scout', Spurs 'Coach', Welling

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Brentford, Retired, Spalding, Retired, Free Agent, Free Agent, Fenerbahce, Free Agent, Arsenal, Palace 'Scout', Spurs 'Coach', Welling

Right, now you have to name their wives ??

 

[ralphs bald spot]

next can you name all of their current clubs ??

big Jon Obika has just joined Morecambe - Caulker has signed for Fenerbache in Turkey - seeing Chris Riley he was a really promising right back played for England injuries done him and seeing Dixon again what might have been

 

[vintagespurs]

Spurs just officially introduced the names of the new 1st year scholar intake. Where is Pele McDermott?

 

[mancman]

THFC website has introduced the 14 new scholars. My question is where are Pele Mcdermott and Vladi Paternoster? Wanted these 2 to be in the group just for their names!

 

[BoringOldFan]

THFC website has introduced the 14 new scholars. My question is where are Pele Mcdermott and Vladi Paternoster? Wanted these 2 to be in the group just for their names!

I’m thrilled there’s one called Billy Heaps. Great football name!

Introducing our new Under-18s players | Tottenham Hotspur

We are delighted to introduce the 14 young players who have joined our Under-18s as full-time, first-year scholars.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

 

[Montalbano]

THFC website has introduced the 14 new scholars. My question is where are Pele Mcdermott and Vladi Paternoster? Wanted these 2 to be in the group just for their names!

They’re both in the age group below and will be part of the 22/23 season’s scholar intake.

 

[C0YS]

Do we know what has happened to Chris Powell? Think he is with England coaching at the moment.

I would be shocked if he didn’t retain his position. With Mason there were maybe more of a question mark, as he could have been 'promoted' to a first-team coach or he probably would have offers lower down the leagues to manage clubs, and that might be attractive to him. Powell, has had his shot already, and did quite well actually, and is less likely to feel the need to try another go at it.

So how does Nuno's appointment impact our Youth Academy and development?

Do we see him integrating Skipp, Tanganga or anyone else?

Will be interesting for sure. At Wolves he didn't seem to have any problems playing young players, and one would argue he did a good job helping them develop, in particular, the likes of Traore, who while not a youth player he turned him into a beast of a player, and Gaya as well at Valencia who he turned into an established starter.

The issue is, at Wolves, he had to rely on youth, most of them not actually from the academy because the squad size was so small, here he won't have to do that so it's quite hard to predict how he'd engage with the academy, though he certainly doesn't seem to have a problem playing teenagers or whatnot.

A lot of youth watchers here are quite demanding, and maybe people will get annoyed after initial goodwill such as that shown to Mourinho. He will probably be supported initially as we are likely to give young players plenty of time in the conference league, but after that who knows. Generally though, looking at his history, he will be a better manager for developing talent when compared to Mourinho's very patchy record in that regard.

 

[Blake Griffin]

A lot of youth watchers here are quite demanding, and maybe people will get annoyed after initial goodwill such as that shown to Mourinho. He will probably be supported initially as we are likely to give young players plenty of time in the conference league, but after that who knows. Generally though, looking at his history, he will be a better manager for developing talent when compared to Mourinho's very patchy record in that regard.

maybe i'm taking your post wrong but it kind of feels like you're trying to stir the pot a bit. the only thing posters here demand is that we maximise any talent coming through, no one's screaming that x, y and z should be in the first team. mourinho wasn't supported because he was new, he was supported because his approach to the academy was a good one, it made sense, he wasn't actively stifling player development in the way that poch was. we have a few talented players on the horizon and if nuno integrates them then great but if not then that's ok as well as long as there's an actual plan being laid out for them.

 

[Locotoro]

I would be shocked if he didn’t retain his position. With Mason there were maybe more of a question mark, as he could have been 'promoted' to a first-team coach or he probably would have offers lower down the leagues to manage clubs, and that might be attractive to him. Powell, has had his shot already, and did quite well actually, and is less likely to feel the need to try another go at it.


Will be interesting for sure. At Wolves he didn't seem to have any problems playing young players, and one would argue he did a good job helping them develop, in particular, the likes of Traore, who while not a youth player he turned him into a beast of a player, and Gaya as well at Valencia who he turned into an established starter.

The issue is, at Wolves, he had to rely on youth, most of them not actually from the academy because the squad size was so small, here he won't have to do that so it's quite hard to predict how he'd engage with the academy, though he certainly doesn't seem to have a problem playing teenagers or whatnot.

A lot of youth watchers here are quite demanding, and maybe people will get annoyed after initial goodwill such as that shown to Mourinho. He will probably be supported initially as we are likely to give young players plenty of time in the conference league, but after that who knows. Generally though, looking at his history, he will be a better manager for developing talent when compared to Mourinho's very patchy record in that regard.

I guess it's all based on expectations of the board.

If they are going to give him time to rebuild the squad and implement a new approach then youth could be given a chance. If his expectations are to get us back competing this season for champions League the he may only use the conference league for youth.

2 year contract says the latter

 

[C0YS]

maybe i'm taking your post wrong but it kind of feels like you're trying to stir the pot a bit. the only thing posters here demand is that we maximise any talent coming through, no one's screaming that x, y and z should be in the first team. mourinho wasn't supported because he was new, he was supported because his approach to the academy was a good one, it made sense, he wasn't actively stifling player development in the way that poch was. we have a few talented players on the horizon and if nuno integrates them then great but if not then that's ok as well as long as there's an actual plan being laid out for them.

I'm not having a go, we all want to maximise talent, I just feel that often there is often a trend that sees an unrealistic expectation of how many youth players should make it or be given a chance. Similarly some fans feel that any youth player who isn't, I dunno doing amazingly well is a failure. I've always been consistent with that.

Mourinho was supported for a number of reasons. Principally his use of loans, which loans are useful but there was logic to what Poch did too, it wasn't an active attempt to stifle development as some make out. Generally, people undervalue the importance of training and overvalue the importance of playing time, which is natural as fans we see playing time so can better make a judgement. But loans can actually be incredibly damaging to development as well.

Poch had a plan just not one that people liked. Forget Tottenham, Mourinho's record of giving young players minutes is fine, his record of actually bringing through youth is much worse than Poch or Nuno career-wise. Now, you could argue that this is because Mourinho has worked in lots of money clubs etc, and that's fair.

I've always been consistent with the feeling that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of youth development and often see it too much like it's football manager (that applies to things outside youth teams when people talk about 'upgrades' as if you can prescribe numerical value to football players does my head in too) and conversely a lot of fans dismiss youth too quickly.

It's my opinion, I'm not having a go at those that disagree, I'm just expressing it. I think if we get one player every 2-3 years that can contribute to the first team that would be great. I think we are doing better than that right now. In recent years we've probably had more appearances from self-developed players since probably the time of McWilliam. Which is a great credit to how we've really managed to push our player development forward and producing players that can play in the PL or Championship it's really great to see. But I think people get frustrated more than they should.

I hope he does integrate players, and with the conference league has a great excuse to do so, this is also probably our best bunch of players since the Townsend, Kane, Smith, Carroll, Mason, maybe a stretch to include Bentaleb too etc group. Which probably btw is the best youth group we have ever had in the history of the club (at least since the twenties). So there is a lot of reason to be positive.