Match Threads Spurs vs Sheffield Utd - Match Thread - Day 34 - KO 7:15 pm

[UncleBuck]

Well I'm not sure this observation has anything to do with the point I was responding too but just to bring it back to Tanguy - Dele Alli has put up the kinds of numbers Tanguy can only dream about for multiple seasons.

Now he may have lost all of that ability and desire but he has shown it and reaped the results over multiple seasons. When Ndombele shows the required determination and consistency to achieve that kind of output then, maybe, you'll have a point.

Dele started today because he's clearly shown more in training than Ndomble - a player who has the skill set to be the best midfielder in the world. The issue here is not Dele, not Mason but Tanguy Ndombele's apparent desire to piss all his talent up a wall. It's a crying shame.

I think it was a worse hair do comp between Dele and Tanguy but Dele put more effort into it!

 

[DarwinSpur]

Best MF in the league!!! Are you serious?

I believe he has that potential, yes.

that’s why it’s so frustrating he won’t do the work required to realise that potential.

And why it’s unsurprising that a person like Mason who built a career on hard work would leave him on the bench

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I don't think the coaching from a technical pov would really be making that much of a difference in such a short time. He's just gone back to what they knew under early days Poch, and they understand it completely. If Poch hadn't have tried to switch it all up into the diamond I think things could have turned out very different.thats not me putting Mason down because he's done exactly the right thing.

I really do wonder why poch tried that Diamond it was his undoing, it really didn’t work well at all, we got so exposed defensively, our blueprint was working fine just needed new fresh players into the squad.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

A Bale hatrick, brilliant. Just wish it had have been in front of 60000 spurs fans singing his name.

 

[UbeAstard]

The Fleck incident was odd. As one angle suggested it looked accidental. A different angle suggested he looked down, could see the player, and still his foot came down on the player's head. Doesn't definitively mean it was intentional. But it would suggest that he could have avoided it, but didn't.

Surprising they were so quick to just dismiss it. Didn't even have the ref take a look.

My take is that Fleck did look down. Did see the player. But didn't intend to stamp on his face out of malice. But also, didn't make an attempt to watch where his foot landed, so as to avoid hitting the player. Sorry... I know that sounds a bit wishy-washy. Just trying to play devil's advocate and understand why it took them less than 30 secs to decide it wasn't worth looking into any further. Very weird one.

He first connected with the shoulder and if there was no intent you would naturaly take the weight off the foot on feeling a connection, but he didnt, he carried on through to the face.

 

[DarwinSpur]

The Fleck incident was odd. As one angle suggested it looked accidental. A different angle suggested he looked down, could see the player, and still his foot came down on the player's head. Doesn't definitively mean it was intentional. But it would suggest that he could have avoided it, but didn't.

Surprising they were so quick to just dismiss it. Didn't even have the ref take a look.

My take is that Fleck did look down. Did see the player. But didn't intend to stamp on his face out of malice. But also, didn't make an attempt to watch where his foot landed, so as to avoid hitting the player. Sorry... I know that sounds a bit wishy-washy. Just trying to play devil's advocate and understand why it took them less than 30 secs to decide it wasn't worth looking into any further. Very weird one.

I don’t think it’s conclusive that it was deliberate.

but it was definitely avoidable. At no stage did Fleck show any duty of care for his opponent. That’s why Mason and Jeans were so angry. Fleck crossed a line

 

[DannyNZ]

100% could have avoided it if he wanted to, made 0 effort to avoid it. Seems pretty deliberate to me.

 

[Barrd10]

The Fleck incident was odd. As one angle suggested it looked accidental. A different angle suggested he looked down, could see the player, and still his foot came down on the player's head. Doesn't definitively mean it was intentional. But it would suggest that he could have avoided it, but didn't.

Surprising they were so quick to just dismiss it. Didn't even have the ref take a look.

My take is that Fleck did look down. Did see the player. But didn't intend to stamp on his face out of malice. But also, didn't make an attempt to watch where his foot landed, so as to avoid hitting the player. Sorry... I know that sounds a bit wishy-washy. Just trying to play devil's advocate and understand why it took them less than 30 secs to decide it wasn't worth looking into any further. Very weird one.

He definitely meant it. That was obvious to me. If VAR couldn’t work that out just proves how pointless it is. A normal reaction is to not step on someone as you want to plant your foot safely. He never tries to do that. Completely a stamp. Also I absolutely over the off side VAR decisions. It is bollocks. How do they know exactly when a ball gets kicked? A millisecond changes the whole offside call with the stupid lines they use. They will change that in time as all they are really doing is taking away goals. The whole idea of offside was to stop players hanging around a goal area. Now it’s an exercise in pendency.

 

[Bobbins]

BTW - for those on SC that are more tactically astute at understanding how the team was lining up....

Were we playing a 433 for most of the game? And then when Dele came off, switched to a 4231? Or, was it always the latter?

Just curious. As when Dele went off, you could clearly see the 4231 formation. And we also completely lost some control in midfield during that time. Albeit, a period where we were already 4-0 up, and the other team were trying to nab a consolation goal.

4-1-4-1 is how we lined up.

And the Fleck stamp was clearly and unambiguously deliberate. It's one of the worst acts of violence against a fellow professional I've seen in recent years.

Dembele got a 6 game ban across two seasons for lightly scratching at Diego Costa. Fleck should be banned for at least 10 games for what he did.

 

[nicdic]

He definitely meant it. That was obvious to me. If VAR couldn’t work that out just proves how pointless it is. A normal reaction is to not step on someone as you want to plant your foot safely. He never tries to do that. Completely a stamp. Also I absolutely over the off side VAR decisions. It is bollocks. How do they know exactly when a ball gets kicked? A millisecond changes the whole offside call with the stupid lines they use. They will change that in time as all they are really doing is taking away goals. The whole idea of offside was to stop players hanging around a goal area. Now it’s an exercise in pendency.

Pedantry*

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Best MF in the league!!! Are you serious?

It's not what he said. Read it again. Most talented, not best. That's an arguable point.

 

[SpursSince1980]

4-1-4-1 is how we lined up.

And the Fleck stamp was clearly and unambiguously deliberate. It's one of the worst acts of violence against a fellow professional I've seen in recent years.

Dembele got a 6 game ban across two seasons for lightly scratching at Diego Costa. Fleck should be banned for at least 10 games for what he did.

And we should all take turns pooping on his pillow! #justiceforlocelso
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[SpursSince1980]

And we should all take turns pooping on his pillow! #justiceforlocelso
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Speaking of poop...

Shit, I’m sorry. Should have said thanks for the line up details.
4141? Interesting. Wonder where he got that idea from?

 

[chrissivad]

BTW - for those on SC that are more tactically astute at understanding how the team was lining up....

Were we playing a 433 for most of the game? And then when Dele came off, switched to a 4231? Or, was it always the latter?

Just curious. As when Dele went off, you could clearly see the 4231 formation. And we also completely lost some control in midfield during that time. Albeit, a period where we were already 4-0 up, and the other team were trying to nab a consolation goal.

I thought it was still a 4231 formation.
Dele had the freedom to drop back and get the ball, but did fade in the second half.

Average position

 

[spursfan77]

I know the opposition was poor but it's amazing what happens when you try and attack. Well done Ryan Mason selecting offensive players and allowing them to go forward. What a shame we have had the shackles on most of tbe season.
What might have been!

Most likely another 6/8 points. Some of those thrown away by sitting too deep would of been killed off with another goal. Although we did miss some big chances in those games. Eg. Palace away, Fulham at home, wolves away just off the top of my head. There’s countless others. So frustrating when you look back on it. Basically a wasted season.

 

[Romulus]

it looked a bit like the old days when we scored and wanted to score again

 

[worcestersauce]

The Fleck incident was odd. As one angle suggested it looked accidental. A different angle suggested he looked down, could see the player, and still his foot came down on the player's head. Doesn't definitively mean it was intentional. But it would suggest that he could have avoided it, but didn't.

Surprising they were so quick to just dismiss it. Didn't even have the ref take a look.

My take is that Fleck did look down. Did see the player. But didn't intend to stamp on his face out of malice. But also, didn't make an attempt to watch where his foot landed, so as to avoid hitting the player. Sorry... I know that sounds a bit wishy-washy. Just trying to play devil's advocate and understand why it took them less than 30 secs to decide it wasn't worth looking into any further. Very weird one.

I don't have any doubt that it was deliberate, he could have avoided the stamp but didn't, however I don't necessarily think he intended to stamp on his head. His studs came down on Lo Celso's upper arm and then slipped forcefully off his shoulder onto his head. He didn't aim for his head but if he hadn't aimed for his body he wouldn't have studded his head.

 

[Serpico]

My final conclusion with Jose is that he is unprofessional and becomes jealous of some players as Bale , because his own football career was nothing in comparison and he resents Bales presences at the club as Jose wants to be centre of the clubs universe but Bale was a threat to that as we saw yesterday.

 

[Serpico]

I don't have any doubt that it was deliberate, he could have avoided the stamp but didn't, however I don't necessarily think he intended to stamp on his head. His studs came down on Lo Celso's upper arm and then slipped forcefully off his shoulder onto his head. He didn't aim for his head but if he hadn't aimed for his body he wouldn't have studded his head.

He aimed to stud Lo Celso end of- thuggery as clear as day. Should have been sent off and long ban . It was disgusting. Can you imagine if he had done that to Kane or any player at Liverpool or Utd. He would be hung drawn and quartered publicly.

 

[allatsea]

Only able to see the first half but delighted with how we played and the desire to win we showed. Great to see Bale scored a hat trick hope there is many more toy come. Delighted also for Mason who had the guts to change the team after the cup final and him being able to inspire the team to a very good performance.