Sin bins - Rugby

[NEVILLEB]

Just watching the Ireland-England match and impressed with the authority of the refereeing.

With football refs scared to pull out red cards for swearing or aggression I think sin bins could help to bring back some respect to football players. Going Down to 10 men for 15 mins could lose you the game and the players would soon learn to keep their mouths shut.

What ya reckon?

 

[cwy21]

Just watching the Ireland-England match and impressed with the authority of the refereeing.

With football refs scared to pull out red cards for swearing or aggression I think sin bins could help to bring back some respect to football players. Going Down to 10 men for 15 mins could lose you the game and the players would soon learn to keep their mouths shut.

What ya reckon?

If refs start pulling out reds when they get sworn at the fans and media would have a uproar and the ref who did it would probably get championship games, not because he was in the wrong but to get him out of the spotlight.

On a referee forum I'm on a lot, this video pops up every so often.

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Look how the players don't surround the ref. In the end the player tells the ref "I'm sorry sir, I didn't mean too".

In football, both teams would surround the ref and after he sent him off the player would likely say "fuck off".

 

[cwy21]

Example: Norwich/Chelsea.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Sin bins aren't the same as red cards. The player comes back on after 15 mins.

After a settling period I think you'd find that the fans would start to blame the player, not the ref. The reason why fans get upset now is because swearing at refs is an accepted part of the game.

 

[haxman]

What's the saying?

“Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen and football is a gentlemans game played by thugs”

Chelsea and Man Utd do their best to prove that statement.

 

[StartingPrice]

It is an old, but interesting question.

The arguments against are well rehearsed.

But I have always felt that the card system can actually act against the team that has been offended. For instance, title contenders could be playing the same team in consecutive weeks. If the most important player(s) for that team are yellow/red carded, resulting in bans the next week, the second of the contenders could benefit from it (could even be decisive).

 

[NEVILLEB]

I think yellow cards should be replaced with sin bins.

 

[jurgenthegreat]

always thought putting microphones on the refs would sort a lot of the problems out

 

[davros]

always thought putting microphones on the refs would sort a lot of the problems out

It makes a lot of sense. I don't know when or why rugby refs first wore microphones, but if I were responsible for brining in a 'respect the ref' campaign then that would be one of my first actions.

I don't know about the idea of a 'sin bin', though.

 

[werty]

I think sin bins could worked for certain yellow card situations but not all. A lot of sin binnings in Rugby are for persistant and cynical team fouls. For instance, in the Ireland v England game Saturday, England gave away 3-4 penalties for the same offense. They were given an offical warning and told they'd be getting a sin bin the next time they commit the same offence. Ashton commited the same foul early in the second half, and despite it being his first time being penalised, he got sin binned. It would be unfar to have a similar rule in Football.

Also in football you can get booked for a miss-timing a genuine attempt to win the ball and it being your first offense. In Rugby you wouldn't be sin binned for making a genuine attempt to tackle unless it was a really bad tackle or late, in which case you'd more likely get a red than a yellow in football.

I think it could be introduced for diving and back-talk to the refs(and end up with a lot of 5-a-sides early one), but anything else should be left the way it is.

 

[Marty]

I think sin bins could worked for certain yellow card situations but not all. A lot of sin binnings in Rugby are for persistant and cynical team fouls. For instance, in the Ireland v England game Saturday, England gave away 3-4 penalties for the same offense. They were given an offical warning and told they'd be getting a sin bin the next time they commit the same offence. Ashton commited the same foul early in the second half, and despite it being his first time being penalised, he got sin binned. It would be unfar to have a similar rule in Football.

Also in football you can get booked for a miss-timing a genuine attempt to win the ball and it being your first offense. In Rugby you wouldn't be sin binned for making a genuine attempt to tackle unless it was a really bad tackle or late, in which case you'd more likely get a red than a yellow in football.

I think it could be introduced for diving and back-talk to the refs(and end up with a lot of 5-a-sides early one), but anything else should be left the way it is.

Very good post, I agree with you there. If I was leading a respect/fair play campaign I would microphone the refs so a TV audience can hear what they say, and give a 15 minute sin bin for any player caught swearing to the ref. Possibly also 15 mins for diving. Leave the rest as it is.

Frankly I have no idea why refs aren't miced up to the broadcast production when they already have mics to talk amongst themselves.

 

[werty]

Make sure you tell the players beforehand though. :wink:

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[jurgenthegreat]

Very good post, I agree with you there. If I was leading a respect/fair play campaign I would microphone the refs so a TV audience can hear what they say, and give a 15 minute sin bin for any player caught swearing to the ref. Possibly also 15 mins for diving. Leave the rest as it is.

Frankly I have no idea why refs aren't miced up to the broadcast production when they already have mics to talk amongst themselves.

agree on the disrespecting the ref part thats something thats obvious and no one can argue with,you swear or argue and thats it sin bin..... with the diving however its down to each ref to decide so it would end up in the same position as some refs give a card and some dont, did he dive did he not b*****

 

[StartingPrice]

It makes a lot of sense. I don't know when or why rugby refs first wore microphones, but if I were responsible for brining in a 'respect the ref' campaign then that would be one of my first actions.

I don't know about the idea of a 'sin bin', though.

It would make a lot of sense if the refs actually enforced the rules - like booking Rooney each of the dozens times he commits the infringement of dissent per game.
It would make a lot of sense if the FA actually enforced their own rules - like for Rooney's blatant assault last season, or the BerbaGit and Keane tappings-up.

That would be a good start.

 

[cwy21]

Why the fuck would refs crack down on it? The FA throws them under the bus when they get scrutinized. Look at the Graham Poll/John Terry thing from a few years ago.

 

[davros]

It would make a lot of sense if the refs actually enforced the rules - like booking Rooney each of the dozens times he commits the infringement of dissent per game.
It would make a lot of sense if the FA actually enforced their own rules - like for Rooney's blatant assault last season, or the BerbaGit and Keane tappings-up.

That would be a good start.

I don't know how much refs could do about tapping up, but I agree that the rules need to be clear and consistent. I think that the microphones would only help this. Players would have to speak to referees with more respect, and referees would have to explain their decisions clearly. It would only be good for the game. Referees would have more support when enforcing the rules and would be less likely to be bullied into or out of decisions.

 

[StartingPrice]

I don't know how much refs could do about tapping up, but I agree that the rules need to be clear and consistent. I think that the microphones would only help this. Players would have to speak to referees with more respect, and referees would have to explain their decisions clearly. It would only be good for the game. Referees would have more support when enforcing the rules and would be less likely to be bullied into or out of decisions.

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Read it again, Pard'Ner - I said the FA need to enforce their own rules about tapping-up, not the refs :wink:

 

[ShayLaB]

Mic the referee - Yes

Retrospective video - Yes. (Dive, simulation, violence -> 2 match ban)