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Revenue Growth in 2016-2017 With CL Football/Television Deal

TH1239

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One of the underlying reasons why potentially qualifying for the Champions League group stages would be such a massive boon for the club next season is that the television deal for the Premier League and the total prize and television money for the Champions League are exponentially expanding. It has been tentatively projected by various media outlets and blogs like The Swiss Ramble in the last year that a team in our position (5th/6th) from 2016-2019 could potentially take in somewhere between 135-140 million pounds from the new television deal. To put that in perspective, in 2012-2013, per our annual report, we only took in 57.3 million pounds of television revenue. That's a massive increase in a short period of time, where our wage bill has not exponentially expanded (it was around the 90 million pound mark back in 2010-2011 and as of 2014, with many high earners still on the books, was around 100 million pounds per our annual report).

When you mix-in qualification for the group stages of the Champions League (let's project conservatively that nets us 30-35 million pounds in total revenue), it's not unreasonable to project potential revenues next season of between 260-270 million pounds, which is nearly double the turnover of 2012-2013, and would place our turnover above the likes of Juventus. Our wage to turnover ratio per Swiss Ramble for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 was 63 and 65% respectively, so with a reasonable guesstimate of our current wage bill of somewhere between 105-110 million pounds (allowing for recent new contracts, but offset by sales/release of high wage players like Lennon, Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, etc), a wage bill of 150 million pounds would only be 56% of that aforementioned total revenue including CL qualification, which is the ratio where we've operated the last couple seasons. To put that in perspective, a 40 million pound wage bill increase (which I'm not remotely advocating, by the way, but discussing for illustrative purposes) like that would cover a 60K a week wage increase for 15 players in the current squad. That is demonstrative of just how much financial flexibility a potentially game-changing television deal and CL football in unison would provide a burgeoning club like ours.

The chief benefits of the above are two-fold for us on the pitch:

1. We can keep our best players, and our manager, by providing them far more competitive wages than an overwhelming majority of teams throughout the continent. Considering the collective average age of the squad, that is a very big deal if we continue to see improvement from the team. While it's true we can't exactly match what a United or City could pay someone like Harry Kane, the above revenue increases could allow for us to come closer to them in wage parity, which for a player who has an affinity for his current club could be enough to keep them from leaving. A corollary to this, by the way, is that we can resist the temptation of high money bids for players, as we genuinely do not need the money, and in many ways, a sale of a key player could be detrimental to the development of the squad, and the future revenues it earns. Now, I know there are some who've bandied about a theory that if you begin to break the wage structure for one player, it will cause discord as others demand parity in pay. But in practice, I'm not sure this happens all that often. Most professional players know and probably accept that the better players in the squad are paid more.

2. It allows the club substantial flexibility in the transfer market, especially for players outside of the UK. The next time a world class player out of favor at a top club is available, we can competitively look to make a play for their services (Arsenal have done this with both Ozil and Sanchez and reaped the benefits). The same thing goes for the next budding superstar from a smaller club looking for a big move (like Hazard did with Chelsea).

Considering we are moving into a new stadium in a few years, getting Champions League football next season could really allow us an opportunity to strengthen our brand, attract higher paying sponsors, and establish ourselves in the same rung as the likes of Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund as a top club ready to upset the apple cart, and set us up to become one of the best clubs in the world by the end of the decade provided we can keep things together.

Once again, I'm not advocating massive spending increases based upon the above, but the financial flexibility it provides us to bolster ourselves on the footballing side is a very big deal in my opinion. Now, there are caveats to the domestic television deal, which will see others increase their revenues and heighten competitiveness in the league, and I know there will be some that reflexively feel that any surplus money moving forward should be plowed into making massive up-front debt payments on stadium construction costs (that would be fairly unprecedented in the professional sports world, as far as I'm aware), but I'm not so sure that's how Levy will view necessarily view things.

Ultimately, I think more than any other year, CL football this next season, coupled with TV revenue increases, could be the short term game-changer we've been waiting for, with the longer term game-changer coming in three seasons time.
 
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Flashspur

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Exciting times but will also increase competition as everyone else in the PL benefits from increased revenue.
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Grow your own players and cut out the middle man..
It worked for me when I was a market gardener.
Analogy breaks down because i had a market stall and a shop
and sold direct to the public.
Though I know plenty of people
who would buy Harry Kane as a conversation piece.

Could possibly exploit their loyalty and pay them less
and keep them longer.
But that's the Dan Levy in me speaking.
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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Grow your own players and cut out the middle man..
It worked for me when I was a market gardener.
Analogy breaks down because i had a market stall and a shop
and sold direct to the public.
Though I know plenty of people
who would buy Harry Kane as a conversation piece.

Could possibly exploit their loyalty and pay them less
and keep them longer.
But that's the Dan Levy in me speaking.

It's also stating the obvious! Every club is trying to do this, fortunately we seem to better than the rest right now. We have a great set up in place(y)
 

Spursidol

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Sep 15, 2007
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It's also stating the obvious! Every club is trying to do this, fortunately we seem to better than the rest right now. We have a great set up in place(y)

We started earlier than most - and persevered with the idea overtaking the likes of Arsenal who changed to 'buying in' lots of kids to give them a final polish.
 

Spursidol

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Sep 15, 2007
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One of the underlying reasons why potentially qualifying for the Champions League group stages would be such a massive boon for the club next season is that the television deal for the Premier League and the total prize and television money for the Champions League are exponentially expanding. It has been tentatively projected by various media outlets and blogs like The Swiss Ramble in the last year that a team in our position (5th/6th) from 2016-2019 could potentially take in somewhere between 135-140 million pounds from the new television deal. To put that in perspective, in 2012-2013, per our annual report, we only took in 57.3 million pounds of television revenue. That's a massive increase in a short period of time, where our wage bill has not exponentially expanded (it was around the 90 million pound mark back in 2010-2011 and as of 2014, with many high earners still on the books, was around 100 million pounds per our annual report).

When you mix-in qualification for the group stages of the Champions League (let's project conservatively that nets us 30-35 million pounds in total revenue), it's not unreasonable to project potential revenues next season of between 260-270 million pounds, which is nearly double the turnover of 2012-2013, and would place our turnover above the likes of Juventus. Our wage to turnover ratio per Swiss Ramble for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 was 63 and 65% respectively, so with a reasonable guesstimate of our current wage bill of somewhere between 105-110 million pounds (allowing for recent new contracts, but offset by sales/release of high wage players like Lennon, Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, etc), a wage bill of 150 million pounds would only be 56% of that aforementioned total revenue including CL qualification, which is the ratio where we've operated the last couple seasons. To put that in perspective, a 40 million pound wage bill increase (which I'm not remotely advocating, by the way, but discussing for illustrative purposes) like that would cover a 60K a week wage increase for 15 players in the current squad. That is demonstrative of just how much financial flexibility a potentially game-changing television deal and CL football in unison would provide a burgeoning club like ours.

The chief benefits of the above are two-fold for us on the pitch:

1. We can keep our best players, and our manager, by providing them far more competitive wages than an overwhelming majority of teams throughout the continent. Considering the collective average age of the squad, that is a very big deal if we continue to see improvement from the team. While it's true we can't exactly match what a United or City could pay someone like Harry Kane, the above revenue increases could allow for us to come closer to them in wage parity, which for a player who has an affinity for his current club could be enough to keep them from leaving. A corollary to this, by the way, is that we can resist the temptation of high money bids for players, as we genuinely do not need the money, and in many ways, a sale of a key player could be detrimental to the development of the squad, and the future revenues it earns. Now, I know there are some who've bandied about a theory that if you begin to break the wage structure for one player, it will cause discord as others demand parity in pay. But in practice, I'm not sure this happens all that often. Most professional players know and probably accept that the better players in the squad are paid more.

2. It allows the club substantial flexibility in the transfer market, especially for players outside of the UK. The next time a world class player out of favor at a top club is available, we can competitively look to make a play for their services (Arsenal have done this with both Ozil and Sanchez and reaped the benefits). The same thing goes for the next budding superstar from a smaller club looking for a big move (like Hazard did with Chelsea).

Considering we are moving into a new stadium in a few years, getting Champions League football next season could really allow us an opportunity to strengthen our brand, attract higher paying sponsors, and establish ourselves in the same rung as the likes of Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund as a top club ready to upset the apple cart, and set us up to become one of the best clubs in the world by the end of the decade provided we can keep things together.

Once again, I'm not advocating massive spending increases based upon the above, but the financial flexibility it provides us to bolster ourselves on the footballing side is a very big deal in my opinion. Now, there are caveats to the domestic television deal, which will see others increase their revenues and heighten competitiveness in the league, and I know there will be some that reflexively feel that any surplus money moving forward should be plowed into making massive up-front debt payments on stadium construction costs (that would be fairly unprecedented in the professional sports world, as far as I'm aware), but I'm not so sure that's how Levy will view necessarily view things.

Ultimately, I think more than any other year, CL football this next season, coupled with TV revenue increases, could be the short term game-changer we've been waiting for, with the longer term game-changer coming in three seasons time.

Getting into CL has always made sense for the reasons you say, as CL revenues have always been large. The fact that CL revenues may be 50% higher than a year or too ago, simply makes it even more attractive
 

Gaz_Gammon

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It's a balance between investing in the future and buying the future (or at least bringing is closer to today) now.

Man Citeh, Chel$ea and to an extent Yanited don't have to build in such large numbers for the future and in Yanited's case the Class Of 92 was an exception. Arsenal are in between those first three where their Manager does a bit of both but mostly buying in potential.

CL qualification would give Poch and Levy the chance to buy in one or two exceptional players as finished items, something that we cannot do playing PL & EL football, so i think that despite the zillions on offer from TV, PL and EL placings it just won't buy top draw established players.

Those players bubbling under that ceiling just don't cut the mustard as we have seen over so many years so if we can qualify with the talent we have and add a couple or three truly exceptional talents at their very best then we can i think establish ourselves in the CL.

I truly feel that Yanited heyday has passed and cannot see them being able to compete with ease as once they did, and though i hate myself for saying it the model that Wenger has appears to be working as well as anything aside from just throwing money at the problem and hoping to get lucky. I think that even the mad Russian has had enough of that especially after seeing what graft, hard work and a good manager can do for a club like Spurs.
 

Flashspur

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The interesting aspect to all of this is the ascendency of the PL and its global reach.

I would argue that with the new revenue deal plus the vast reach through media has set the PL up as the most important competition in the world. It will be more important to stay in the PL then fight for the Champions League one day. Both from a financial and prestige perspective.

The CL will be the icing on the cake but the PL will be 'it' in terms of the football's Valhalla. The CL will pass into history like the FA Cup, Copa Del Ray etc as exciting sideshows to the main game.
 

danielneeds

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It's hilarious that the PL has so much money to burn, but has never seemed further away from European trophies than since the Heysel ban.
 

Hoops

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The interesting aspect to all of this is the ascendency of the PL and its global reach.

I would argue that with the new revenue deal plus the vast reach through media has set the PL up as the most important competition in the world. It will be more important to stay in the PL then fight for the Champions League one day. Both from a financial and prestige perspective.

The CL will be the icing on the cake but the PL will be 'it' in terms of the football's Valhalla. The CL will pass into history like the FA Cup, Copa Del Ray etc as exciting sideshows to the main game.

Till the MLS takes off. Its getting bigger every year.
 

Hoops

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If we got CL plus our new stadium we should be able to break the 300m barrier. Thats alot of wedge.
 

ShaunL84

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If we get CL this year, we need to sign Bale in the sunmer.

Imagine Bale and Kane in the same team, guaranteed title tilts every season.
 

Twizzle

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May 25, 2008
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UCL worries me a bit as we are generally rubbish 3 days after Europa so if we are gonna be competitive in both UCL and PL we need some serious depth that we can rotate because we have shown over the last 2 years that our very young team does not back up at all well after Europa, even lost to the barcodes after our last Europa game and there was no travel involved.

If we get UCL qualification we will need to have a spend up on depth because I think we need more than our academy kids for depth in UCL.
 

Samson

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UCL worries me a bit as we are generally rubbish 3 days after Europa so if we are gonna be competitive in both UCL and PL we need some serious depth that we can rotate because we have shown over the last 2 years that our very young team does not back up at all well after Europa, even lost to the barcodes after our last Europa game and there was no travel involved.

If we get UCL qualification we will need to have a spend up on depth because I think we need more than our academy kids for depth in UCL.

Chuck the CL.
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Get to the CL pearly gates
then leave the own grown who helped to get us there
out in the cold.
Sorry lads thanks but no thanks.
We're back on the buying in Superstar jag again.
Loyalty, both ways, effort, attitude,
count for nothing.
Can you actually decline to go into the CL if you qualify?
Is it an invitation or an offer you can't refuse?
Holy Grail my arse.

The money you save by not buying in players
more than compensates for the prize money.
 

hellava_tough

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Everyone will be getting the cash in the Premier League, so there will be more competition there.

But compared to other European clubs, English teams should be stronger.

Interesting times.
 

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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I don't buy into all this game changer talk, ie the champions league and the stadium. The game changer is when we make our model run as efficiently as possible. Only going by what I saw of the summer transfer window but we seem to have the right scouting system in place, we have talent coming through and it will be up to Poch how he integrates that talent. I think we pay our players a very good wage, if the top earners want more than what they are getting, then they can to another club I don't want us to be massively overpaying for players wages.
 
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