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Dier, Sissoko, AlliWho would you start winks over?
Dier, Sissoko, AlliWho would you start winks over?
Funnily enough BC I agree with your assessment of Alli. The point I'm making isn't directed at you because you qualify your comments, they're well reasoned. I think you should know by now that if I do disagree with you I'll post my reasons why.Who has ever said "he's shit"? Plenty of people won't hear any criticism of him though, or meet it with a plethora of excuses or denials.
I think Alli has a gift, his movement when we have the ball in attacking areas can be fantastic, and his presence on a pitch is way superior to his age. But age doesn't excuse everything. He's now made nearly 200 senior appearances, 100 of them at the very highest level of football. Most weeks nearly all of us would take the rough with the smooth with him, but that doesn't mean you don't call the rough, especially when there's more of it going on than the smooth, and it also isn't heresy to suggest Son, who is even more productive, and brings different qualities, as well as some similar weaknesses, be played sometimes in his stead. His status in the team isn't going to be under any long term threat, and he might just benefit from being shown he isn't untouchable, most players do, and it's what the best coaches do.
Funnily enough BC I agree with your assessment of Alli. The point I'm making isn't directed at you because you qualify your comments, they're well reasoned. I think you should know by now that if I do disagree with you I'll post my reasons why.
Also, I should have made my comments a bit clearer regarding the "he's shit" etc. It was more a generic reference rather than specifically regarding Alli, we've seen those type of comment for many of our players, that was more what I was referring to.
For clarity, I'm not a "fanboy" in the context in which it is used here. More an advocate of patience with players based on the reasons I've already put forward. Alli has had his mentality and application questioned here without the multiple factors that I've mentioned really being taken into account. The same applies to Sissoko, but to a different degree. At one point last season I felt that Eriksen needed to be benched as he was out of form. What actually happened was that he played himself back into form, as did Kane. It's feasible that Alli could do the same, which may be why he isn't being benched.
What you forget, when referencing the meritocracy, is that it is based on what they do in training. Porch himself has said they're paid to train, not to play, so maybe these players are earning the right to play through a slump by their hard work on the training pitches?
I don't know, any more than the rest here, but it is a consideration that needs to be factored in before they can be criticised.
This isn't me saying that because you don't know then you can't say a word, more that a caveat to your thinking (generally speaking) needs to be considered for a genuine critique.
Them's my onions anyway.
No way over Ali??. Dier drops to cb when Jan goes forward Winks in that position, I dont think so. Sissoko is the only one there but as I said earlier I would have picked Sissoko over Winks for yeaterdays game mainly as he is taller.Dier, Sissoko, Alli
Dier, Sissoko, Alli
Poch obviously trusts Sissoko more than Winks at this point, with Dembele and Wanyama out. As disappointing as Sissoko has been I appreciate his willingness to be a squad player and slot in where needed.
No worries on the misunderstanding, it wasn't that clear tbh.Ah Ok, fair do's. Apologies for misunderstanding.
I don't honestly remember Eriksen ever reaching the depths of performance last season that Alli (and others) has plundered at times to be honest. Even when Eriksen isn't scoring or assisting, he's generally seeing as much or ball than our CM's and providing valuable conduit game play. And he will always press pretty well when we press.
Whilst I liked the implication of Poch's comment about being paid to train, I don't believe for a second that how players train really carries anywhere like the weight of their match day performances, general match day presence or collective match day oeuvre does on their selection. Do we really believe for a Nono second that if Janssen had had a great week in training, but Kane had had a bad one, Janssen would be picked for the Saturday league game ? No. Do we think that if KWP played better in training all week than Aurier and Trippier, he'd get picked ? No.
I get what Poch was trying to imply when he said this and it's fundamental truth, but he didn't say "whoever trains best plays".
Aurier was stupid. I don't care whether he played well, he seems to have no brains. Why the fcuk would u risk a red by tackling a player 70meters away from goal. Couldve cost us the match.
Verts, eriksen and Kane played well.
Sissoko didnt do too badly.
Winksy came on and played well.
Crazy decision by Poch to take out Eriksen instead of Alli, who was atrocious and also not necessary when down to 10 men.
Thinking about the match I'd say some of it wasn't helped by the formation. He was left two vs one at times when the ball got switched out to that flank. But then he has to be culpable for getting himself stranded over and over, he'd go to close Cresswell too late and end up getting taken out of the game by the ball then played in behind him.
I think a lot of it is not being comfortable with the system yet, iirc Poch teaches the players a lot of 'triggers' as to where and when they press, I'd hope its a case of him getting up to speed.
What do you mean by Nancy boy? Are you using it as a homophobic slur? Do you want to provide context? As in, you PMed me crying your eyes out about a rep?
There really isn't that much to actually discuss from the match aside from the performance of a few individuals. Our team, IMO, was split in two halves. One half of really, really good performances, and one half that was mundane or under-performing.Wow, this thread is a car crash. Anyone would've thought we'd lost on Saturday.
As far as I could see there are only a handful of posts that don't have some sort of agenda against one player or another, be it Alli, Sissoko, Dier.....take your pick really.
I can't read BC's posts anymore cos I'm so sick of Alli being described as "bumbling". The kid definitely isn't someone that is devoid of criticism and he's having a weird season so far but all we ever get from you BC is "bumbling". Seriously, for someone that considers themselves so tactically astute, it might be time to either leave him out of your critique or start actually thinking of some other words to use for describing his performances.
I came into this thread hoping for some insight as I was stuck at a wedding all day and couldn't watch it. Thanks to a very small miniority I've garnered bits and bobs but most of it just nonsense and arguing.
I imagine this is what LFC's forum is like.
Wow, this thread is a car crash. Anyone would've thought we'd lost on Saturday.
As far as I could see there are only a handful of posts that don't have some sort of agenda against one player or another, be it Alli, Sissoko, Dier.....take your pick really.
I can't read BC's posts anymore cos I'm so sick of Alli being described as "bumbling". The kid definitely isn't someone that is devoid of criticism and he's having a weird season so far but all we ever get from you BC is "bumbling". Seriously, for someone that considers themselves so tactically astute, it might be time to either leave him out of your critique or start actually thinking of some other words to use for describing his performances.
I came into this thread hoping for some insight as I was stuck at a wedding all day and couldn't watch it. Thanks to a very small miniority I've garnered bits and bobs but most of it just nonsense and arguing.
I imagine this is what LFC's forum is like.
See, if you had bothered to read my post you'd know I didn't just call Alli bumbling, I called him lazy too.
There really isn't that much to actually discuss from the match aside from the performance of a few individuals. Our team, IMO, was split in two halves. One half of really, really good performances, and one half that was mundane or under-performing.
As for the match as a whole, we played patiently and grabbed our chances. It wasn't an exceedingly good performance, but West Ham really was too weak, albeit not without threat.
It might have been a pre-arranged bluff or double bluff.That corner goal pissed me off. The corner
Taker signals to fonte that he should run to the near post. If I saw it wouldn't a player on the pitch?
Wow, this thread is a car crash. Anyone would've thought we'd lost on Saturday.
As far as I could see there are only a handful of posts that don't have some sort of agenda against one player or another, be it Alli, Sissoko, Dier.....take your pick really.
I can't read BC's posts anymore cos I'm so sick of Alli being described as "bumbling". The kid definitely isn't someone that is devoid of criticism and he's having a weird season so far but all we ever get from you BC is "bumbling". Seriously, for someone that considers themselves so tactically astute, it might be time to either leave him out of your critique or start actually thinking of some other words to use for describing his performances.
I came into this thread hoping for some insight as I was stuck at a wedding all day and couldn't watch it. Thanks to a very small miniority I've garnered bits and bobs but most of it just nonsense and arguing.
I imagine this is what LFC's forum is like.