Premier League 2023/2024

[chas vs dave]

What grounds have they reduced it on?

On the grounds that scouse whining is hurting the populations ears...

 

[BorjeSpurs]

 

[Misfit]

They explained clearly how they came up with the ten points initially - linked with how much the financial overstep was etc.

How are they going to explain the reduction, other than 'we bottled it'?

 

[felmani26]

Can't wait for Luton go down with less than a 4 point gap to 17th place Everton......

 

[TheChosenOne]

Brentford need to start winning - hopefully beating European Champions West Ham at the London Circus tonight

 

[razor1981]

They explained clearly how they came up with the ten points initially - linked with how much the financial overstep was etc.

How are they going to explain the reduction, other than 'we bottled it'?

It's all here: https://resources.premierleague.com...and-Premier-League-appeal-decision-260224.pdf

The TLDR seems to be that the appeal board accepted Everton's argument that a 10-point deduction was disproportionate to recent punishments handed out to some EFL clubs (Sheffield Wednesday in particular) for financial breaches.

 

[thebenjamin]

they still have the second charge to come which will be more points

 

[robbiedee]

they still have the second charge to come which will be more points

Probably 4 points...

 

[razor1981]

they still have the second charge to come which will be more points

After reading the appeal board's reasoning behind giving a 6-point deduction in this case, I think they'll probably get another 6 points for the 2nd breach (unless the size of the breach is much less than the previous £20m, in which case it could be 3 points).

 

[BorjeSpurs]

 

[Westmorlandspur]

I would think a Liverpool have spent less during that time. And got more back in Than Arsenal have.
Arsenal have also had to pay off Ozil, Aubameyang and 3 others.
not forgetting Pépé who they signed for 72m in 2019 and gave him a free transfer with one year left on his contract last year. Would have needed to pay up some of that last year to get shot of him.
Ndombele is always mentioned as a waste of money. What about Pépé. Cost nearly 20m more.

 

[allatsea]

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Brentford need to start winning - hopefully beating European Champions West Ham at the London Circus tonight

Rather staggered to see Brentford down there fighting for safety with Forest. I suppose it just shows I haven't been paying attention.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I hope Brentford go daaaahn.

 

[ExpatFan]

I hope Brentford go daaaahn.

If only because of Maupay.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

After reading the appeal board's reasoning behind giving a 6-point deduction in this case, I think they'll probably get another 6 points for the 2nd breach (unless the size of the breach is much less than the previous £20m, in which case it could be 3 points).

Not sure how much their overspend was for the second charge. Anyone know? But on the basis of the fine for £20m overspend in the first three years year then it should be proportional to the first fine. I think Everton's argument is that they should not receive a punishment for the same offence twice, as the overspend apparently rolls into the next three year period. If it was a year on year comparison I might have some sympathy but for a rolling three yearly I do not. You have time to rectify the deficit in the following year by reducing your spending and increasing income eg wages and player sales. That was the point of bringing in this rule. Unfortunately I think we all know the outcome and the fudges and bullshit excuses that will spill out of the Premier League.

 

[easley91]

I hope Brentford go daaaahn.

There's several I'd like to go down.

 

[Marty]

There's several I'd like to go down.

Burnley and Sheff U don't deserve to be in the league at all.

Everton dropping would be haha funny
Forest are just too weird
Brentford have Toney and Maupay who are ****s

Would be happy to see either of those three go if Luton stay up

 

[razor1981]

Not sure how much their overspend was for the second charge. Anyone know? But on the basis of the fine for £20m overspend in the first three years year then it should be proportional to the first fine. I think Everton's argument is that they should not receive a punishment for the same offence twice, as the overspend apparently rolls into the next three year period. If it was a year on year comparison I might have some sympathy but for a rolling three yearly I do not. You have time to rectify the deficit in the following year by reducing your spending and increasing income eg wages and player sales. That was the point of bringing in this rule. Unfortunately I think we all know the outcome and the fudges and bullshit excuses that will spill out of the Premier League.

There's nothing in the public realm yet on their 2023 loss figure, but it must be at least £40m for them to have breached again.

Their previous losses for the purposes of the PSR calculation were £58m (2020), £56m (2021) and £10m (2022). Part of Everton's mitigation argument was that their losses were trending downwards, and they felt should have been given some leniency on that basis - so I'm not sure how they're going to argue that this time around as it appears their losses have shot right back up again.

The appeals board partially addressed this in their decision, essentially saying that Everton had done well to reduce their losses but could have done better. They should have known they were on course to exceed the threshold for a couple of years beforehand but didn't do enough to avoid it.

The fact that they showed in 2022 that it was possible to get their losses down to an acceptable level suggests that their failure to do that again in 2023 is down to a lack of willingness on their part to make the necessary sacrifices to their squad spending.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Everton are fortunate the the independent commision and appeals process takes so long, the Premier League wanted this dealt with before the end of last season but the commission were unable to do so , a six point deduction would have relegated Everton last season and Leicester stayed up.

. In the Complaint the Premier League had asked for an expedited hearing so that the proceedings could be concluded before the end of the 2022/2023 season. That application was determined at a Teams hearing on 31 March 2023. The Commission decided that it was unrealistic to expect these proceedings and any appeal to be determined in the current season – and that to compel Everton to attempt to meet such a timetable would run the risk of procedural unfairness

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

This part of the summing up on Everton bodes well for the 35 charges of "Failure to cooperate" that Man C are facing , on those charge alone there could be a hefty punishment.


We are not of course dealing here with criminal proceedings: we are dealing with a regulatory scheme which forms part of a joint venture to which all PL clubs are a party, each of which has agreed to the standard of required conduct and the enforcement regime provided in the PL Rules.

Where a club’s cooperation falls below that level, then that may be an aggravating circumstance.