Pochettino getting criticised but he wasn't wrong

Japhet

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The VAR decision caused a huge momentum shift which we couldn't deal with. We need to be mentally stronger and stop keep folding under pressure.
 

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This part of the article....

“VAR technology isn't advanced enough to know if they have stopped the ball at the exact moment the ball is kicked due to camera frame rates, so there's believed to be 5cm that can't be accounted for either way, rendering the ability to judge such a tight decision where players look level even more difficult to come to an undoubted conclusion.”

If it can’t be accurate then what is the point of it?
 

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5cm is pretty accurate. There's nothing wrong with the technology, it's the bloody decision they made. If you can't tell if someone is offside from the correct still image, then you can't make the decision they made. We'll just move on, but the VAR decision makers fucked up, not the technology or a lack of accuracy.

Some common fucking sense from the VAR refs is what's needed.
 

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5cm is pretty accurate. There's nothing wrong with the technology, it's the bloody decision they made. If you can't tell if someone is offside from the correct still image, then you can't make the decision they made. We'll just move on, but the VAR decision makers fucked up, not the technology or a lack of accuracy.

Some common fucking sense from the VAR refs is what's needed.
They need to realise that offside is offside is just a statement not a fact, They've decided on no clear and obvious but they can't deliver offside as a fact therefore they need some margin of clear and obvious for offside.
 

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They need to realise that offside is offside is just a statement not a fact, They've decided on no clear and obvious but they can't deliver offside as a fact therefore they need some margin of clear and obvious for offside.
When it’s as close as that and they have to keep checking the videos, I think they should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.
 

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When it’s as close as that and they have to keep checking the videos, I think they should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.


Why?
Is it cos you Spurs?

VAR is a double edged sword.
We have benefited three times
and lost out once.
We will benefit and lose out again
before the season ends.
 

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Why?
Is it cos you Spurs?

VAR is a double edged sword.
We have benefited three times
and lost out once.
We will benefit and lose out again
before the season ends.
No because that's how it has always been. VAR in this case changes the way the laws of football are applied. How are attackers supposed to time their runs and know if they are offside or not is being level, no is simply a matter of chance?
 

JimmyG2

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No because that's how it has always been. VAR in this case changes the way the laws of football are applied. How are attackers supposed to time their runs and know if they are offside or not is being level, no is simply a matter of chance?
The technology is more accurate
annoyingly so in this case.
than the naked eyes of refs and Linesmen.
He wasn't level
he was 2 cm. offside.
at a crucial moment in the game
but the machines don't care.

How many thousand times
have we complained about seriously wrong
officials decisions?
 

sebo_sek

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Why?
Is it cos you Spurs?

VAR is a double edged sword.
We have benefited three times
and lost out once.
We will benefit and lose out again
before the season ends.
Because that was always the rule before.
 

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5cm is pretty accurate. There's nothing wrong with the technology, it's the bloody decision they made. If you can't tell if someone is offside from the correct still image, then you can't make the decision they made. We'll just move on, but the VAR decision makers fucked up, not the technology or a lack of accuracy.

Some common fucking sense from the VAR refs is what's needed.
100% accuracy is not easily found in this world. Judgments have to be made allowing for these tolerances. Yet the EPL/FA or whoever is involved really have learnt nothing from other sports. Is this just the arrogant nature of football administrators failing to take on board what others have experienced?
 

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The technology is more accurate
annoyingly so in this case.
than the naked eyes of refs and Linesmen.
He wasn't level
he was 2 cm. offside.
at a crucial moment in the game
but the machines don't care.

How many thousand times
have we complained about seriously wrong
officials decisions?
This argument doesn't hold up to me because if it was purely a machine calculating it 100% then that'd be fine but it isn't, it's a human deciding what frame to use on a relatively low frame rate, a human deciding where the line should be for each, a human deciding where the shoulder begins or ends.

You're saying we've benefited from VAR 3 times but objectively you can see with the naked eye that those decisions were in-line with the rules because you can factually see they were offside. Just because those three decisions happened to use the VAR system doesn't mean we have to blindly agree with decisions where it's factually not proveable that he was offside. Just because a human is using technology doesn't mean a machine has made the decision, it has human error and yet we have no margin for human error.
 

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Either install high frame rate cameras or allow a 5cm margin of error. Why do they make such meals of easy choices?
 

spursgirls

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Why?
Is it cos you Spurs?

VAR is a double edged sword.
We have benefited three times
and lost out once.
We will benefit and lose out again
before the season ends.
No, not at all. It’s say that for whatever team we were talking about. It’s the fact that they literally can’t be 100% sure due to frame rate and angle of camera. The offside rule is supposed to stop advantage being gained. How can you say someone has gained advantage when it is that close? The difference could literally be a breath in.
 

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The game we all watch is called football and not "headball " or " where the arm meets the torso ball " or "what is the nearest part of the body to the goal ball " the drawing of these lines from somewhere on the body to the ground is just confusing .
We call the game football and I think the clarity of using the Foot as the guideline for off side is something I can live with for the good or bad of the team.its so galling that if this method was used the Aurier goal would have stood .
I am not suggesting just because of the Leicester goal I just think it is clear and obvious if the foot is taken to judge offside or not .
At the moment I do not know what part of the body they draw this line to decide off side from just very confusing and as I say its called football .
 

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The technology is more accurate
annoyingly so in this case.
than the naked eyes of refs and Linesmen.
He wasn't level
he was 2 cm. offside.
at a crucial moment in the game
but the machines don't care.

How many thousand times
have we complained about seriously wrong
officials decisions?
But the moment was BEFORE the ball was kicked......I don't see why they could not get an image THE MOMENT the ball was kicked..then he would definitely had been offside or onside!!!
 

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Fair article, lots of points covered and summed up the game well.

I think any team would be frustrated that Son was deemed offside, the margin was too tight to give. I think all anyone is calling for is Var to be sensible and reduce confusion
 

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Hopefully at the end of the season they will review the problems everyone has had with VAR and make changes. If they can't be more accurate with the technology, there has to be a tolerance allowance in cases such as this.
Plus, most importantly, VAR was introduced to step in in cases of 'clear and obvious' mistakes and this definitely wasn't a clear and obvious mistake by the ref/linesman, so shouldn't have been used anyway IMHO.
 

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I don't think it's just the fine margin of the call it's the floating undefined line around the shoulder, there is no rule or law that defines where that line is so it was where they decided to put that line that made the goal not a goal. another Ref on the day and that line could easily be in a different place.

Needs to be an umpires call equivalent in Football for decisions where the technology is not fit to judge.
 

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Hopefully at the end of the season they will review the problems everyone has had with VAR and make changes. If they can't be more accurate with the technology, there has to be a tolerance allowance in cases such as this.
Plus, most importantly, VAR was introduced to step in in cases of 'clear and obvious' mistakes and this definitely wasn't a clear and obvious mistake by the ref/linesman, so shouldn't have been used anyway IMHO.
Not for offside
And I quote
the "clear and obvious error" consideration within VAR will only be used for subjective decisions -- penalties, fouls, possible red cards. They are decisions which are open to interpretation, and they are also the calls that the VAR can ask the match referee to look at again on his pitchside monitor.

But offside is different. You are offside or you are not. It's a factual decision based on the position of, usually, two players on the pitch. The same goes for the ball going out of play, it is objective and will never be judged on being "a clear and obvious error."



 
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