Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[Johnny J]

i certainly do understand those that suggest as a business we shouldn't turn our noses up at an additional 25m for Toby if we sell him now to United. My view however, is that by selling our world class CB to United, That could ultimately gain them 3 to 4 points over the course of the season by virtue of having a higher quality defence ... on the flip side we will lose a world class player, who would be invaluable to us in the case of injuries to our starting pair (and for cup competitions/rotation)..as such, the decision to sell him to United could result in us losing 3 to 4 points over a season and not being as strong squad wise for the cups

so, in essence, those point swings could result in us losing league places, being weakened in cups and god forbid, losing out on a CL place (potentally to United)

These permeatations would result in us losing FAR more than 25m

DONT strengthen a rival for a top 4 place whilst weakening yourself ... (unless there is something significant in it for us too)

Thing is, United had a great defensive record last season. Is Toby really going to improve it that much? Mourinho's brand of anti-football is the problem there.

 

[dtxspurs]

Thing is, United had a great defensive record last season. Is Toby really going to improve it that much? Mourinho's brand of anti-football is the problem there.

Maybe, he won't have to play quite as defensive if he had better defenders. He'll still play defensive no doubt but Toby instead of Phil Jones allows them to give Pogba a bit more freedom. We're talking about a team that is going to bring Martial, Rashford, and Mata off the bench and sell them the best CB in the prem. Embarrassing.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Thing is, United had a great defensive record last season. Is Toby really going to improve it that much? Mourinho's brand of anti-football is the problem there.

Toby can pass. Their other defenders can't. He'd potentially be able to spring United's attack a lot quicker than anyone they currently have in their squad.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'd love to go back and see how all those people who are ok with this move talked about RVP to ManU.

 

[Rethink]

Thing is, United had a great defensive record last season. Is Toby really going to improve it that much? Mourinho's brand of anti-football is the problem there.

You are right, it was good last year ... but he obviously sees that he can improve it significantly from Jones/Smalling to Alderweireld ..You dont buy a 50m defender if it doesnt make your team stronger .. and as much as their team was stong defensively last year, we all know it will be even stronger with Toby ..you have to agree we will be strengthening them

 

[Goobers]

Please do tell how we are acting like a big club by selling off one of our best players to the team we finished directly below?

Because we demonstrate that the club and the process is bigger than the player. Not acting like the big boys ? Christ - in the space of 13, yes, 13 years we have torn up our infrastructure, built one of the best training facilities in the world with medical facilities the likes of which football has neither appreciated or seen before and then built a stadium in a capital city the likes of which will not only be one of the best stadiums in the world but also the type of which NONE of the other clubs in the land would be In a position to build or plan.
We are setting the path for the “big boys” just because we don’t pay 60m pounds for average players don’t make the mistake of thinking we are not a massive club now. And don’t think we are a little club anymore just because we sell Toby Alderweireld. This is what he wants. A smaller club would keep a player like him in this situation but he ain’t bigger than what we are doing. I don’t understand out lot some of the time. A lot of our fans would rather see us sign Jack a Grealish in a transfer window because Sky sports says that’s entertainement rather than create true infrastructure. And I don’t fucking understand it. Mugs.

 

[Goobers]

Not to mention the fact that if anyone tells you that £25m would be meaningless to ANY club is lying. Bare faced. Lies.

 

[Cel]

I'd love to go back and see how all those people who are ok with this move talked about RVP to ManU.

I thought arsenal biggest mistake was letting the contract run down too far before trying to renew and were played into a corner where they had no options, as RVP made it clear he would not join anyone else. Which happens to us here in Jan/ anyway. plus he was arsenals best player, whereas toby can't get in our team as it stands.

I agree with the selling to a rival to a point, but biggest Difference to me here is we actively want to sell Toby, Poch doesn't seem to want him, and highly likely wont play him anyway - he proved that at the end of last season, when we had everything on the line - toby got nowhere near the pitch - Poch doesn't trust him.

We can't force utd to sell us martial, and they'd rather keep him than sell to us I'd imagine, and flog him in Europe for the exact same reasons you describe. I can see it being a loan, and see if Maureen quits this year, as they could then renew his contract with a new coach.

To me the question is more do you sell to utd for more now, and grab the 'English Tax' on the transfer or sell him cheaper abroad after the window shuts - there has been no positive noise at all really about him staying.

 

[Colonel Dax]

I think de Ligt and possibly Pavard were the replacements, and with them now off the list then possibly Poch never put an option C that is better than what we have, I'm sure Poch said in his book he sees Dier as a CB

I agree, that makes sense. However, if Dier is now a centre back we'll need to buy a defensive midfielder.

 

[RichieS]

If 25mil is that huge of a deal for us, we aren't meant to play with the big dogs. Which its seeming like that is the case anyways with the way we are acting.

January 2018: Man City respond to Leicester's £80m asking price for Mahrez by saying "Nah, you're alright mate".
July 2018: Man City sign Mahrez for £60m.

So are Man City "playing with the big dogs"?

 

[Lighty64]

I agree, that makes sense. However, if Dier is now a centre back we'll need to buy a defensive midfielder.

it does depend on whether Poch will use 3 at the back, and might not revert to it till Wanyama is fit.

 

[dtxspurs]

January 2018: Man City respond to Leicester's £80m asking price for Mahrez by saying "Nah, you're alright mate".
July 2018: Man City sign Mahrez for £60m.

So are Man City "playing with the big dogs"?

What? Man City rejected an unrealistic evaluation of a player they didn't need in the middle of the best premier league season of all time.

 

[Lighty64]

When it does happen people probably won't see it coming.

at the moment if it was to happen soon, I think we are the best prepared to see out a crash

 

[Lighty64]

i certainly do understand those that suggest as a business we shouldn't turn our noses up at an additional 25m for Toby if we sell him now to United. My view however, is that by selling our world class CB to United, That could ultimately gain them 3 to 4 points over the course of the season by virtue of having a higher quality defence ... on the flip side we will lose a world class player, who would be invaluable to us in the case of injuries to our starting pair (and for cup competitions/rotation)..as such, the decision to sell him to United could result in us losing 3 to 4 points over a season and not being as strong squad wise for the cups

so, in essence, those point swings could result in us losing league places, being weakened in cups and god forbid, losing out on a CL place (potentally to United)

These permeatations would result in us losing FAR more than 25m

DONT strengthen a rival for a top 4 place whilst weakening yourself ... (unless there is something significant in it for us too)

after the murmurs from what happened, do you believe he will

1, play enough
2, give 100%

 

[Lighty64]

Maybe, he won't have to play quite as defensive if he had better defenders. He'll still play defensive no doubt but Toby instead of Phil Jones allows them to give Pogba a bit more freedom. We're talking about a team that is going to bring Martial, Rashford, and Mata off the bench and sell them the best CB in the prem. Embarrassing.

wrong player, Toby is at his weakest when playing on the left side which Jones plays, the only thing I wouldn't expect is for him to pull his hamstring because United don't play such a high line

 

[dtxspurs]

wrong player, Toby is at his weakest when playing on the left side which Jones plays, the only thing I wouldn't expect is for him to pull his hamstring because United don't play such a high line

I don't care about what side they play on. Bailly and Toby is a damn good duo.

 

[spursfast]

wrong player, Toby is at his weakest when playing on the left side which Jones plays, the only thing I wouldn't expect is for him to pull his hamstring because United don't play such a high line

it doesn't matter, they just get stronger and weaken us ...but hay poch wants him gone, we just got to trust the man

 

[Lighty64]

I don't care about what side they play on. Bailly and Toby is a damn good duo.

wherever Toby goes he will be a good defender, providing he is committed. what you fail to understand is HE doesn't really want to be here, and we don't want him anymore. I would be absolutely happy if someone from abroad come in with a bid, but they haven't, so why haven't they if he is that good pretty weird.

since Moaninho took the reigns at Man U their defence has been very good, with Toby it will be very good (no real change). I would be more worried if this was Jan.

Toby sitting at home till next summer won't benefit us, and it will only bring in more bad press. if what he has done is so bad, Poch won't trust him, and the squad if he has upset anyone in it, won't want him in it. we don't sell top players anymore unless there is a reason

how will you feel if it ever come out he has upset Kane or Eriksen

 

[dtxspurs]

wherever Toby goes he will be a good defender, providing he is committed. what you fail to understand is HE doesn't really want to be here, and we don't want him anymore. I would be absolutely happy if someone from abroad come in with a bid, but they haven't, so why haven't they if he is that good pretty weird.

since Moaninho took the reigns at Man U their defence has been very good, with Toby it will be very good (no real change). I would be more worried if this was Jan.

Toby sitting at home till next summer won't benefit us, and it will only bring in more bad press. if what he has done is so bad, Poch won't trust him, and the squad if he has upset anyone in it, won't want him in it. we don't sell top players anymore unless there is a reason

how will you feel if it ever come out he has upset Kane or Eriksen

What would he have possibly done to upset Kane or Eriksen?

Honestly man, what do you think he possibly did that was so bad? Yet he wasn't exiled, was still allowed to train, play in the occasional game, etc. But what Rose did was fine and acceptable. Seriously think about what could have possibly happened.

 

[Lighty64]

it doesn't matter, they just get stronger and weaken us ...but hay poch wants him gone, we just got to trust the man

what weakens us is keeping a player that doesn't want to be here, for numerous reasons

1, commitment
2, wages for someone that's not going to play
3, a possible 30+m that means the next window people moaning because we can't bye Joe Bloggs because our budget won't stretch