It is funny to have a look back at people's comments on page 1 of this thread.
No one wanted him.
Shows how much we (the fans) actually know.
In Poch we trust!!
I'd have that the other way around. Toby needs to be part of a good unit to shine. When he is, he is good. When there is no good unit, he is terrible. Vertonghen is integral in providing the platform for such a unit.I love Vertonghen, but Toby is on another level. They are an almost perfect pairing though.
Terrible? Are you sure about that? Alderweireld's worse performances supposedly came in an Atletico shirt (well, the 'experts' who claimed he wasn't good said that, when I highly doubt they even watched him play much for them), a team that probably had the most solid 'unit' in European football when he was there. While Alderweireld has been great throughout his time in the PL, Vertonghen, on the other hand, certainly failed to perform at the level we know he can for the 2 seasons before now, so I think it's incorrect to suggest he may be the reason for our defensive success. Furthermore, even when we've had shaky performances defensively (although these are rare), Toby has usually been the stand-out player.I'd have that the other way around. Toby needs to be part of a good unit to shine. When he is, he is good. When there is no good unit, he is terrible. Vertonghen is integral in providing the platform for such a unit.
"Terrible" is accurate relatively speaking to other superlatives used about him. No doubt he has surprised me. I'm happy he matches Vertonghen so well.Terrible? Are you sure about that? Alderweireld's worse performances supposedly came in an Atletico shirt (well, the 'experts' who claimed he wasn't good said that, when I highly doubt they even watched him play much for them), a team that probably had the most solid 'unit' in European football when he was there. While Alderweireld has been great throughout his time in the PL, Vertonghen, on the other hand, certainly failed to perform at the level we know he can for the 2 seasons before now, so I think it's incorrect to suggest he may be the reason for our defensive success. Furthermore, even when we've had shaky performances defensively (although these are rare), Toby has usually been the stand-out player.
I find @yankspurs 's 'agree' amusing, given that his assessment of Alderweireld prior to his transfer to us couldn't have been more wrong.
I'd have that the other way around. Toby needs to be part of a good unit to shine. When he is, he is good. When there is no good unit, he is terrible. Vertonghen is integral in providing the platform for such a unit.
What the actual fuck."Terrible" is accurate relatively speaking to other superlatives used about him. No doubt he has surprised me. I'm happy he matches Vertonghen so well.
i hope we arnt moaning about Alderweireld?
Hes in prime, experienced, proven. Ball playing defender. Very very good signing. Im looking forwrard to him and Jan with Lloris. Walker will be better this season too and a big plus after a pre season.
I've said I was wrong multiple times already. Hop off.Terrible? Are you sure about that? Alderweireld's worse performances supposedly came in an Atletico shirt (well, the 'experts' who claimed he wasn't good said that, when I highly doubt they even watched him play much for them), a team that probably had the most solid 'unit' in European football when he was there. While Alderweireld has been great throughout his time in the PL, Vertonghen, on the other hand, certainly failed to perform at the level we know he can for the 2 seasons before now, so I think it's incorrect to suggest he may be the reason for our defensive success. Furthermore, even when we've had shaky performances defensively (although these are rare), Toby has usually been the stand-out player.
I find @yankspurs 's 'agree' amusing, given that his assessment of Alderweireld prior to his transfer to us couldn't have been more wrong.
Still haven't conceeded. Or really given up any chances.Wimmer has been good but the drop off is noticable.
I've said I was wrong multiple times already. Hop off.
Toby's been great for us. Him and Vertonghen have formed an excellent partnership. They've both been great this season, I just happen to think Vertonghen has been better.
Also, Dier has been key at DM. Especially lately since Vertonghen got hurt. Dier's saved us quite a bit in the games following. Wimmer has been good but the drop off is noticable.
In the following ways he is better than Alderweireld:Vertonghen has been good but in no way superior to Alderweireld this season.
With Vertonghen alone, we conceded a shitload last season. Alderweireld is the one who came in and tightened us up. And with Alderweireld still playing, Wimmer walked straight in to replace Vertonghen.I'd have that the other way around. Toby needs to be part of a good unit to shine. When he is, he is good. When there is no good unit, he is terrible. Vertonghen is integral in providing the platform for such a unit.