Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[worcestersauce]

TBH if i was the club or the Player (VdV) and everyone knows that we are sitting on their deal to look for something better else I (as the club and player) would be thinking, fuck that, we'll look for something else/better.

It seems laughable that we think this is an acceptable way to deal with players and clubs.
So what happens if we get Tapsoba do we just go to VdV and say "sorry, we went another way"

To quote Ian Holloway (made up ) It's like going into a club and dancing up to someone you are mildly attracted to, getting her to talk and then asking her to hang on a minute then spending the next two hours going around the club looking for something better and expecting her to be there for you when you strike out...

I would just get VdV done ASAP then if we still want to do Tapsoba, find a way to do that one as well.

On the other hand the player has the opportunity of playing at a top club in the Premier league which is a dream opportunity which we often don't begin to understand and so it's worth hanging on to the chance of getting it. Add to that he's on holiday so not missing out on anything and maybe the time/delay is helpful to his club to find a replacement if necessary.

 

[theShiznit]

On the other hand the player has the opportunity of playing at a top club in the Premier league which is a dream opportunity which we often don't begin to understand and so it's worth hanging on to the chance of getting it. Add to that he's on holiday so not missing out on anything and maybe the time/delay is helpful to his club to find a replacement if necessary.

Yeah a dream opportunity that we're actively looking to crush (in looking for better)

Like I said, if I was him or his agent (who I am sure will be aware of what we are doing ) I would also be looking elsewhere as in the words of Bobby Brown two can play that game.

Only so long you can string anyone along before they get fed up.

IMO we just need to get him done then worry about others coming or going.

 

[Dazzazzad]

We thought that when we had Sanchez and Foyth as young prospects behind Alderweireld and Vertonghen. It's important to also recognise when a player isn't reaching their potential. I think Phillips sounds like a really smart move but we should keep this type of recruitment going as well. Only so many signings work out so that's why it would be great to get both Tapsoba and VdV. Add Phillips to the pool of loaned players to develop further along with Dorrington. Then keep scouting for others but these type of signings would go a long way for sure.

Well said. Never ceases to amaze me, after experiencing the Russian roulette that is transfer success, how people can still be so optimistic to assume a signing will nail down a position for the next decade.

We can hope but it's probably even more likely that we're looking to sell them in 3 years. Just the nature of the sport and the very high level required.

 

[Albertbarich]

Tapsoba is currently a much better player as I've said but he's also 2 years older to be fair.

That said, watching how we played yesterday, you can definitely see why VdV would be so valuable. His top speed/recovery speed is elite and suits the high line we will play to perfection.

In terms of speed, VdV is definitely quicker than Tapsoba.

As I've said though, if we really want to back Ange and set ourselves up for success, we should go all out to get both. We should get VdV signed now imo and then put all our efforts in to shifting players out the door to fund a move for Tapsoba.

Watching our defenders try and catch the fella who scored the winner yesterday was painful. He didn't even look quick

Pace is definitely needed.

 

[worcestersauce]

Yeah a dream opportunity that we're actively looking to crush (in looking for better)

Like I said, if I was him or his agent (who I am sure will be aware of what we are doing ) I would also be looking elsewhere as in the words of Bobby Brown two can play that game.

Only so long you can string anyone along before they get fed up.

IMO we just need to get him done then worry about others coming or going.

I understand your argument and you are right but I also think that the reward for a young player, to play in the Premier league for a huge wage, is so enormous that he won't want to throw the towel in too soon.

 

[theShiznit]

I understand your argument and you are right but I also think that the reward for a young player, to play in the Premier league for a huge wage, is so enormous that he won't want to throw the towel in too soon.

Yes, i also understand what you are saying, but If we are interested then it is a guarantee that he will be on the radar of other Premiership teams.

 

[MilkyBarYid]

Just pull the trigger on VDV, then continue negotiating for Tapsoba; if we sell players in the meantime, it allows us to go after Tapsoba with money in the bank. SImples.

 

[Dunc2610]

Just pull the trigger on VDV, then continue negotiating for Tapsoba; if we sell players in the meantime, it allows us to go after Tapsoba with money in the bank. SImples.

Why would you do that and risk not getting Taps if you don't sell? Surely you wait, get the one you REALLY want, and then get in the nr 2 if you can afterwards?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We get both in and our defence is sorted and potentially settled for half a decade. Romero, Tapsoba, VDV, Phillips.

I think the most important part of getting both in is that we finally overcome the hurdle of the long painful rebuild Poch spoke of. We'd have young good quality depth in CB, a midfield that could if form is hit consist of Sarr, Skipp, Bentancur, Bissouma, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Maddison and we all know about how depth in the forward areas.

I sincerely hope we don't leave ourselves 1 injury away from having to rely on the old guard. That's my biggest concern I'm defence and a very real one we should be pondering when making decisions.

Yep. I wonder if we could say sign Tapsoba then keep the VDV deal on hold until we've sold one or our current CB's then pull the trigger on that too.

Or we just rip up a few contracts bite the bullet and sign both now as we absolutely need 2 top quality new CB's to be added to our squad.

If its one of them and another then if the other is Lenglet, Tosin or Anderson they're all quite similar in terms of quality but we'd be one injury to say VDV/Romero away from a significantly weaker back line. Also VDV is quite young so we could sign both, start Tapsboa and Romero and VDV will still get decent amount of minutes across the season and he can also cover at LB.

Get both in, keep Kane, keep Lo Celso and/or sign Gallagher and our re-build isn't too far off then.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Having three good CBs means we have the flex to move to three at the back if we want, but also cover for the matches that Romero misses because he went through the back of Haaland.....on the halfway line....with the ball out of play.

 

[theShiznit]

Why would you do that and risk not getting Taps if you don't sell? Surely you wait, get the one you REALLY want, and then get in the nr 2 if you can afterwards?

Have you never heard of the saying 'A VdV in the hand is worth two Tapsoba's in a bush'

Now i don't want to know what Tapsoba is doing in the bush (maybe that's why we are delaying signing him ) but you get the message.

 

[vegassd]

So what happens if we get Tapsoba do we just go to VdV and say "sorry, we went another way"

I think that is the reality of the situation. And not just for our club, I bet this happens all the time across the football world.

We can be pretty sure that the player's agent will be touting him around other clubs anyway. Especially if the headline fee is agreed between clubs, the agent will be talking to others to see if they want a part of the action.

There's probably a bit of a disconnect between us fans who are desperate for new CBs, and Ange who will be more concerned with getting an entire squad of players who are going to play to his methods. So the idea of signing "somebody better than Sanchez/Dier/Davies" is probably less on his mind than it is ours, especially if it would mean we miss out on a different position that he feels is more important.

Personally I'm all aboard the "buy both" train, but these transfers are always part of the bigger squad picture, and I could certainly imagine Ange wanting to know how far the budget needs to stretch to cover the whole squad. Fingers crossed it is a couple more pre-season matches for him to be happy with the attackers and ready to spend the whole budget on CBs.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Having three good CBs means we have the flex to move to three at the back if we want, but also cover for the matches that Romero misses because he went through the back of Haaland.....on the halfway line....with the ball out of play.

Pls banish the thought of ever playing 3 at the back

 

[Cavehillspur]

Yeah a dream opportunity that we're actively looking to crush (in looking for better)

Like I said, if I was him or his agent (who I am sure will be aware of what we are doing ) I would also be looking elsewhere as in the words of Bobby Brown two can play that game.

Only so long you can string anyone along before they get fed up.

IMO we just need to get him done then worry about others coming or going.

Agree with your take on this mate.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

We will 100% bring in one of VdV or Tapsoba. I literally have zero doubt about that. We are still trying to make the numbers work for Tapsoba and VdV is basically agreed. The one thing we need to be careful of is not pissing around too long and upsetting selling clubs whilst another club swoops in. I'm very calm.

I'm calm too.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I honestly don’t get what we’re waiting for, with finalising this deal

Everything suggests it’s been 90% done for weeks & yet here we are still waiting

 

[worcestersauce]

Personally I just keep thinking what a statement of intent it would be to bring in both Van de Ven and Tapsoba.

 

[Dunc2610]

I honestly don’t get what we’re waiting for, with finalising this deal

Everything suggests it’s been 90% done for weeks & yet here we are still waiting

Yes, to see if we can get Tapsoba over the line, then I should imagine it'll be A.N.Other cheaper, maybe homegrown defender in addition. We're not going to blow our load on this guy, only for a deal on Taps to be possible and we can't accommodate him.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Yes, to see if we can get Tapsoba over the line, then I should imagine it'll be A.N.Other cheaper, maybe homegrown defender in addition. We're not going to blow our load on this guy, only for a deal on Taps to be possible and we can't accommodate him.

It really should be both of them, the longer this drags on, the more vulnerable we’re leaving ourselves.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Personally I just keep thinking what a statement of intent it would be to bring in both Van de Ven and Tapsoba.

Completely agree.