Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[Oscar22]

I agree with this but I don't think we will bring in 2 LCBs because one will ultimately become redundant.

Ideally we bring a fantastic LCB who has the promise of going to the next level.

Then a decent RCB that can fill in for Romero but can also adapt to play LCB for rotation etc.

It is alright using City and their 5 CBs as an example but City can do that cause they compete on all fronts every season and Pep isnt wedded to one partnership.

They can always sell players to as their value doesnt depreciate too much.

We wouldnt be able to do that.

Well of course, but neither I nor anyone else has suggested we sign 5 top CB’s or act like Man City - of course we can’t compete with them, I’m not attempting to.

Out of ALL of our CB’s I think the only one the majority of people wouldn’t be open to selling is Romero, and even with him the jury is still out in some ways.

I think in general, most didn’t want to keep Lenglet, and he’s gone anyway. Dier and Sanchez need to go, Tanganga seems to have gone over a cliff, and if we look at Davies, if he even counts as a CB it’s a utility one. So we’re basically left with only Romero, so as in my original post, what I’m suggesting is we take Romero as one option, then we can easily accommodate someone like Tapsoba, AND someone like Van de Ven.

That gives us three of Romero, Tapsoba, and VDV, I think there’s a good level there where we don’t see a drop off when one is injured or when Argentina are on the phone.

That for me leaves one final space to have four CB’s. Now, I dont see that we get it all done in one go, so, unfortunately I think I think it’s very likely that at least one of Dier, Sanchez or Tanganga are still here next season. However that space could be one of those, it could be an academy player, it could be a cheaper short term player, I guess we will see.

However I don’t think having three decent quality CB’s isn’t doable, and I don’t think you have to be City to make that happen. There’s plenty of games across leagues and cups, and that’s without Europe, and before we consider any possible long term injuries that may occur.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

That doesn't seem to be a consistent comparison of defenders if you have Romero there alongside Lenglet for a skill set likeness.

Appears more akin to old favourites Bastoni and Schlotterbeck.

To the eye, I definitely agree that Schlotterbeck is a great comparison.

But then you just don’t know what underlying statistics are being used to draw up their comparisons

 

[spursgirls]

We haven’t had speed like that in our defense since Kyle Walker. Me wants

The commitment and determination to get there and stop a goal impresses me too.

 

[N'Obody]

The fact he can play LB too could be a big reason we also go for him as well as Tapsoba. At least this way we can have a CB who can cover 2 positions and also keep them all happy. Great problem to have...if we can get both guys over the line.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

He’s playing right now for Netherlands U21 v Portugal U21 if anyone is interested and can find coverage

 

[Flobadob]

Clearly he’s very quick once he gets going but what’s he like off the mark? Feel like that’s more important, it’s rare a sprint race in football is more than 20-25 yards

 

[Nick]

The fact he can play LB too could be a big reason we also go for him as well as Tapsoba. At least this way we can have a CB who can cover 2 positions and also keep them all happy. Great problem to have...if we can get both guys over the line.

Maybe it could work similar to White and Zinchenko at Arsenal? A more Defensive LB allowing Porro to bomb on!

 

[philll]

He’s playing right now for Netherlands U21 v Portugal U21 if anyone is interested and can find coverage

It's streaming on uefa.tv if you're in the UK (or can make it appear like you're in the UK).

 

[mil1lion]

Maybe it could work similar to White and Zinchenko at Arsenal? A more Defensive LB allowing Porro to bomb on!

Could be a nice option. If we did get him and 1 more centre back I'd sell Davies. Have VDV to cover as a defensive left back option, Emerson being the defensive right back option to combine with the more attacking Porro, Spence and Udogie. It will be good to have a bit of versatility. Porro also can play further forward and Kulusevski could play wide right or inside right of a midfield 3. Udogie could play inside left of a midfield 3 too. That would be the best way to keep to a smaller squad like what Poch worked with. Less quantity but more quality.

 

[DenverSpur]

I think we have more than enough room to sign two top CB’s personally. It’s not far off guaranteed that Romero will miss somewhere between 4-8 weeks of next season, through a mixture of suspension, actual injury, wanting to stay fit for Argentina related injury, and a few other things.

We need to move on from this idea of signing quality for a starting eleven, then a few others who we hope don’t mind sitting on a bench for a bit. Buy quality and let them compete for the starting spaces, it’s the way you actually begin to go places.

This a 1000%.
To many on here still cling to idea that there is a “first 11”. That’s not how it should be. Nobody should be regarded as a “starter and nobody should be regarded as a squad player. At least 18 of your outfield players should be good enough to start so they are competing for a starting spot every game. Look at Liverpool they have 6 strikers competing for 3 places, although Salah is almost a fixture, and over 8 players competing for 3 midfield places. Klopp doesn’t regard any of them as squad players but rather as potential starters. The same is true at ManC: Rodri is a fixture as holding midfielder and Halaand also as a9 but then they have 7 players competing for the other attacking places. At the back they have 8 players competing for 4 defensive places, although Cancello left in January.
That’s how modern teams make sensible use of their squad. We suffer because the same 11 start game after game regardless of form etc and then when a cup tie comes along we make 8 or so changes and put out a team of strangers with little or no match practice. It’s one of the reasons we never win anything.
Everyone we sign regardless of how much they cost should be deemed good enough to start every game. It’s then up to them, and the rest of the squad, to convince the manager to start them in the next game. It’s called competition for places.

 

[DenverSpur]

I agree with this but I don't think we will bring in 2 LCBs because one will ultimately become redundant.

Ideally we bring a fantastic LCB who has the promise of going to the next level.

Then a decent RCB that can fill in for Romero but can also adapt to play LCB for rotation etc.

It is alright using City and their 5 CBs as an example but City can do that cause they compete on all fronts every season and Pep isnt wedded to one partnership.

They can always sell players to as their value doesnt depreciate too much.

We wouldnt be able to do that.

Yes we could if we had a coherent transfer policy.

 

[daryl hannah]

Micky Van Der Ven is SUCH a Tottenham player’s name.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

This a 1000%.
To many on here still cling to idea that there is a “first 11”. That’s not how it should be. Nobody should be regarded as a “starter and nobody should be regarded as a squad player. At least 18 of your outfield players should be good enough to start so they are competing for a starting spot every game. Look at Liverpool they have 6 strikers competing for 3 places, although Salah is almost a fixture, and over 8 players competing for 3 midfield places. Klopp doesn’t regard any of them as squad players but rather as potential starters. The same is true at ManC: Rodri is a fixture as holding midfielder and Halaand also as a9 but then they have 7 players competing for the other attacking places. At the back they have 8 players competing for 4 defensive places, although Cancello left in January.
That’s how modern teams make sensible use of their squad. We suffer because the same 11 start game after game regardless of form etc and then when a cup tie comes along we make 8 or so changes and put out a team of strangers with little or no match practice. It’s one of the reasons we never win anything.
Everyone we sign regardless of how much they cost should be deemed good enough to start every game. It’s then up to them, and the rest of the squad, to convince the manager to start them in the next game. It’s called competition for places.

we are not in the position at the moment - you have to strengthen your first x1 that is paramount at the moment once that is competitive you improve by looking to continually improve on the weaker parts of that side which begins to pad out your squad - last season we went along lets pad the squad out that failed miserably - primarily to improve you look to buy better players than what your have got - its nothing to do with being modern you quote Liverpool's forward line where their defence and midfield struggled last season

 

[SaiboT]

Wow thats a hell of a run! Weird thing is it looks fastforwarded but when looking at other players around vdv it looks like normal speed. But his defending stats doesnt look that good tbh.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Seeing him in that 5 shirt reminds me how we miss peak Super Jan.

We need to buy him and sell Hojbjerg or force him to give up the 5 shirt!

 

[guy]

With the amount of defenders we need to sell we should be able to buy two good CBs.

Dier, Sanchez, tanganga, sess, Davies, perisic, reguilon, rodon. Realistically 6 of those 8 can go, which should be 60mill in the door.

 

[Tyler24durden]

With the amount of defenders we need to sell we should be able to buy two good CBs.

Dier, Sanchez, tanganga, sess, Davies, perisic, reguilon, rodon. Realistically 6 of those 8 can go, which should be 60mill in the door.

I’d sell all of them personally.

 

[SDogg]

I’d sell all of them personally.

Someone has got to want to buy them and here lies the problem

 

[Tyler24durden]

Not if you price them accordingly and don’t ask for silly money.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

With the amount of defenders we need to sell we should be able to buy two good CBs.

Dier, Sanchez, tanganga, sess, Davies, perisic, reguilon, rodon. Realistically 6 of those 8 can go, which should be 60mill in the door.

We’re not gonna be able to get them all out the door for good fees. Realistically we might only get money for Sanchez. Rest would be loans.

However I think Dier, and Sessgnon/Davies will probably stick around anyway.