Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

[Albertbarich]

Couple of points..

Overpaying for one means selling clubs of our other targets will want us to overpay for others. We have to play the game. The time to get frustrated is at the end of it all and we haven't backed the manager but long way to go now and I suspect Ange is quite happy to take the current squad on the pre season tour to give him and idea of who he wants to keep.

Also look at the keeper situation. There is certainly info out there but this is a new regime and I wouldn't be surprised to see a random target pop up and happen at anytime. I'm sure they like Maddison (who wouldn't?) But I bet he isn't the only one on the list and I bet there are names on the list that haven't got out yet.

 

[Impspur1]

So just made up speculation based on no reports? That's seriously jumping to conclusions. Maddison isnt the same type of player as Mount anyway. Mount is more a Dele/de Beek than an Eriksen type. Besides the price Leicester want is as much as Mount anyway. Hence we're only looking to pay less for him. It would be silly to just pay what they want when nobody is going too.

Just floating it out their, take on board what your saying but I guess I just meant that they are both creative floating no.10 types, different but similar

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

We're a very, very rich football club. I'm surprised how many spurs fans on here seem to worry more about protecting the club's finances than they do about getting the right players in place.

There’s a limit to how many mistakes even a very, very rich club can afford to make, though. And you make it sound as though you are sure that our current targets are the right players. I’m sure some people believed that about Ndombs!

 

[spursfan77]

Yup! the choice is we look elsewhere. Missing out on pre season will interrupt our plans massively. We need everyone together before pre season starts.

In reality that rarely happens though. Top players pick up on systems and positions very quickly. Getting him in (if we are going to go in hard for him) before the season starts is much more important.

 

[yido-1989]

Contract length is always relevant unless one of the buyers is just willing to pay the asking price straight up.

As the window goes on the pressure to sell increases dramatically. That wouldn't be the case if Maddison had 2, 3 years left.

If they have 2/3 years left on the contract they can say not for sale or pay the highest price(inflated price), 1 year left they will still get a high price (what the player is worth) because other clubs want the player.

Even at the of the end window if you have 2/3 clubs interested they will get their asking price or somewhere close to it. He isn’t going to get sold for 20/25million if that’s what people think.

 

[Nerine]

In reality that rarely happens though. Top players pick up on systems and positions very quickly. Getting him in (if we are going to go in hard for him) before the season starts is much more important.

That’s a massive contradiction, lol.

 

[Oscar22]

If they have 2/3 years left on the contract they can say not for sale or pay the highest price(inflated price), 1 year left they will still get a high price (what the player is worth) because other clubs want the player.

Even at the off the end window if you have 2/3 clubs interested they will get their asking price or somewhere close to it. He isn’t going to get sold for 20/25million if that’s what people think.

I don’t think anyone at all is suggesting he goes for 20-25million, that would be ridiculous. Just as it would be ridiculous to immediately snap leicesters hands off at 60million which he also, just isn’t worth.

 

[yido-1989]

I don’t think anyone at all is suggesting he goes for 20-25million, that would be ridiculous. Just as it would be ridiculous to immediately snap leicesters hands off at 60million which he also, just isn’t worth.

How do we know his asking price is definitely 60 Million, I’d be happy if we got him for 45-50 anything less than that would be a bargain for a player like Maddison.

 

[spursfan77]

That’s a massive contradiction, lol.

Not really. I was saying he doesn’t need a preseason but we want him in to help win us games. No contradiction there.

 

[BENNO]

I don’t think anyone at all is suggesting he goes for 20-25million, that would be ridiculous. Just as it would be ridiculous to immediately snap leicesters hands off at 60million which he also, just isn’t worth.

Would you agree with me that based purely on his footballing ability,age and HG status, he is probably worth £60m but when all other factors are taken into account, i.e contract length, relegation/financial difficulties AND lack of genuine buyers, then we definitely shouldn't pay £60m for him ?

it is weird how we've all evolved as fans - back in the good old days of Ceefax you just saw someone had signed , sometimes a transfer figure (no wages) and that was it, i can't ever remember worrying about 'value' back then in regards to signings, even though i've always been a gambler and have 'value' ingrained in me !

 

[Oscar22]

How do we know his asking price is definitely 60 Million, I’d be happy if we got him for 45-50 anything less than that would be a bargain for a player like Maddison.

I probably worded it badly, I mean that most people in this thread are going with the idea from the media reports that it’s 60. It’s like any other signing we don’t know what the actual asking price is most of the time, it’s always going to be speculation.

For what it’s worth, i actually think 40-45 is about right.

 

[Oscar22]

Would you agree with me that based purely on his footballing ability,age and HG status, he is probably worth £60m but when all other factors are taken into account, i.e contract length, relegation/financial difficulties AND lack of genuine buyers, then we definitely shouldn't pay £60m for him ?

it is weird how we've all evolved as fans - back in the good old days of Ceefax you just saw someone had signed , sometimes a transfer figure (no wages) and that was it, i can't ever remember worrying about 'value' back then in regards to signings, even though i've always been a gambler and have 'value' ingrained in me !

To be honest, I’m not sure I do.

It’s always difficult these days as you see a lot of players move for prices that you look at and think really?

I think Maddison is a very good player, I do. However when we’re talking 60 million quid, I’m just…. Not sure. I don’t even really know how to tell you what it is other than a gut feeling, it may even be quite heavily influenced by the fact that whilst I think we need a player of his type, I’m really more concerned about getting the defence sorted out.

For me personally, age, profile, and the CV of you like, I’d be happy to pay 40-45 million, perhaps even creeping toward fifty if it’s add one that aren’t just simply achieved. However I have to say, for me personally, and I’m always happy to be wrong, for any more than that… I’m out.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Agree. It's very strange to see a player of his calibre, at his age, struggling for buyers but most of the 'bigger' clubs have no need for him in their first XI, which plays into our hands, albeit it'll probably drag unless Leicester have a rethink.

I dont think they'll budge much.

What will happen is if say Newcastle or Spurs dont make a move it will open the door for the likes of Villa and Westham to go in.

I think Leicester will end up getting close to their valuation as it's not outlandish in the current climate for a HG player.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

He’s worth to us what Leicester are reportedly asking imo. What are our options after Maddison? how available are they? If so, how much will they be? and are they going to be as effective off the bat as Maddison will be?

 

[Impspur1]

He’s worth to us what Leicester are reportedly asking imo. What are our options after Maddison? how available are they? If so, how much will they be? and are they going to be as effective off the bat as Maddison will be?

West Ham will have money a few bin to burn when Rice goes and they do like a no.10

 

[olliec]

West Ham will have money a few bin to burn when Rice goes and they do like a no.10

No way he will goto West Ham!

 

[yido-1989]

I probably worded it badly, I mean that most people in this thread are going with the idea from the media reports that it’s 60. It’s like any other signing we don’t know what the actual asking price is most of the time, it’s always going to be speculation.

For what it’s worth, i actually think 40-45 is about right.

I think there’s a deal to be had at 45-50 if we want it, but I may be wrong. We probably have a set budget and the manager may feel he can get a cheaper alternative elsewhere to get other positions covered.

In my opinion we are seriously lacking some creativity in midfield due to our previous managers tactics. GK looks sorted, Maddison would be great and a few Centre Backs in. Then I would clear a lot fringe players out and we would have a team that is a bit more balanced.

Towards the end of the window we could also be on the look out for opportunities depending on how many we have sold/loaned.

 

[Impspur1]

No way he will goto West Ham!

Not suggesting he would but they may be in position to put some money on the table one start a bidding war

 

[nickspurs]

Not suggesting he would but they may be in position to put some money on the table one start a bidding war

That’s the point. It’s not really a credible bidding war if the player won’t go.

 

[Impspur1]

That’s the point. It’s not really a credible bidding war if the player won’t go.

Maybe but it sets a price and can drag negotiations on even longer. Ultimately if it’s a choice between a team like West Ham who pay the fee and another season in the championship I’m sure he’d go there. Let’s hope it Donets come to that and we move quickly