Player Watch Player Watch: Harry Winks

dtxspurs

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If you could ask your brother to get more involved in the games and stop playing hide and seek for 90 mins, we would appreciate it.

Send him our love!
Or maybe make a tackle or interception. Or chip in with an assist.
 

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Or maybe make a tackle or interception. Or chip in with an assist.
This is on the money. His ‘key passes’, ‘assists’, ‘shots on target’, and ‘goals’ stats are really woeful, even for someone playing deep in CM.

His tackles, interceptions, aerial battles won are even worse for someone playing so deep.

Unless he is going to be encouraged to find vertical gaps to either surge through with a burst of acceleration with the ball at his feet, or pass through with intent, he will not excel. Those are his strengths, it’s just that he’s (a) been discouraged from playing to them, and (b) he’s not as good as Lo Celso at them. But he most definitely is not a DCM, and needs to be allowed to compete with Lo Celso for the number 8 role.
 

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For me honestly......he was once a player I had so much excitement for but truth is Poch killed him he seen a player he wanted to see in him a bit of a pet project he wanted to turn him into xavi (a tempo,sideways passing,heartbeat player) which he may have been very good at but then our squad broke and Poch decided it was time to stick him as the defensive midfield answer to our team this is where winks form and career started to take a nose dive basically as soon as Eric Dier's form and injuries came it forced Winks into being a Midfield all rounded (which is he isn't).

Poch kind of took everything that was good about Winks and tried to mould him into something new again which I think has actually stagnated his career along with that ankle injury he had.

We have seen glimpes of Mourinho getting old Winks back slightly where he has been allowed to burst forward with the ball and break defensive lines but other than that I think the last time gave young Harry any freedom was when he scored on his debut vs west ham.

He has sadly became the typical thing english press and fans see when they see a technically sound player who doesn't give the ball away. (a player that belongs in spain or italy).

In fact Barcelona produce 20 x Harry Winks a season.....but technically they all have to add something else to their game other than being able to keep the ball and pass the ball neatly sadly Harry did have this he had drive and a no fear attitude but slowly its been coached out of him I guess. He's actually gone backwards since his breakthrough seasons.

I think if he played in Italy,Spain he would be adored as I would know how to use his stature and coach him properly and the way the game is played out there would suit him to a tee and there is a reason I guess while Pep wants him at city but I just do not think he will ever progress to anything other than 5-6/10 player at spurs unless we find a way to utilize his skillset properly.

A midfield of

-------NEW DM------

Winks --------- Lo Celso for tough away games would be a nice base I guess

Then against teams that will park the bus I guess

Winks
Ndombele Lo Celso

In a 4-3-3 would work and this formation still remains the best formational fit for all our players except for the big elephant in the room Dele Alli which is another one of the reasons I think our tactical plan keeps failing is we basically have a luxury player that effects our shape and formation selection as he's to much of a goal threat to remove from the team.
Interesting you mention Guardiola. I wouldn’t like to see Winks at Man City but I’d like to see what Guardiola would of done with him or whether he even rates him.
 

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My favourite midfield was Barca’s three of Busquets, Xavi, & Iniesta. We won’t get near that quality, but we are the DM/Busquets player away from being able to at least resemble the way they played.

Busquets
Xavi Iniesta

I’d like to think, especially with Pep’s early assessment, of Hojbjerg as the person to play the Busquets role for us. I’d than also be on the look out for the next player with these attributes to keep the system rolling. If we were to get him, our midfield options start to look pretty strong, and Winks could play a vital role in it.

Hojbjerg
Winks LoCelso

We can stop bypassing our midfield then, and actually play some football. Ndombele can also play in that midfield dropping in for either of Winks or LoCelso.
 

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Drop in quality this season from Winks is alarming. I have been in his corner from day1. But he has simply not developed his game in the past year. I am not saying he is playing bad, but his current game is average can average be.

He is currently giving every reason to make him a squad player - Need that passionate old Winksy back. Every tackle & pass - he should mean it.
 

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Drop in quality this season from Winks is alarming. I have been in his corner from day1. But he has simply not developed his game in the past year. I am not saying he is playing bad, but his current game is average can average be.

He is currently giving every reason to make him a squad player - Need that passionate old Winksy back. Every tackle & pass - he should mean it.
he is and he should be a squad player (at best) based on his overall performance
 

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Like N'Dombele, he's currently in competition with GLC for a starting spot. Unlike N'Dombele however he's capable of playing as the anchor in that two should we need it.
 

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He should be a squad player, he fits that role perfectly. Foden although not the same position is the level of youth player you want starting
 

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Like N'Dombele, he's currently in competition with GLC for a starting spot. Unlike N'Dombele however he's capable of playing as the anchor in that two should we need it.
Lo Celso is so important to us right now. Without him, I can't see any other combination working in a 4231 formation.

If Lo Celso is fit I can see Sissoko, Winks and Skipp all playing alongside him.

As for Ndombele, the only position I see him playing in Jose's set up is as a number 10.

Personally, I think he would be brilliant in that role as he would have less defensive responsibility.
 

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Lo Celso is so important to us right now. Without him, I can't see any other combination working in a 4231 formation.

If Lo Celso is fit I can see Sissoko, Winks and Skipp all playing alongside him.

As for Ndombele, the only position I see him playing in Jose's set up is as a number 10.

Personally, I think he would be brilliant in that role as he would have less defensive responsibility.
I struggle to understand what people mean by a number 10 these days. Does any team in the Premier have a number 10 that looks or plays anything like Ndombele? Seems as though, at Spurs, if we have a lazy, inconsistent player who nevertheless shows the odd good touch, we want to put him at number 10 to relieve him of responsibilities. Most teams have an incredibly committed, hard working player there. Why are we so different? Look at Mane, or Aguero. Grealish, even.
 

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I struggle to understand what people mean by a number 10 these days. Does any team in the Premier have a number 10 that looks or plays anything like Ndombele? Seems as though, at Spurs, if we have a lazy, inconsistent player who nevertheless shows the odd good touch, we want to put him at number 10 to relieve him of responsibilities. Most teams have an incredibly committed, hard working player there. Why are we so different? Look at Mane, or Aguero. Grealish, even.
Only one of those players resembles the classic #10 type.
 

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I struggle to understand what people mean by a number 10 these days. Does any team in the Premier have a number 10 that looks or plays anything like Ndombele? Seems as though, at Spurs, if we have a lazy, inconsistent player who nevertheless shows the odd good touch, we want to put him at number 10 to relieve him of responsibilities. Most teams have an incredibly committed, hard working player there. Why are we so different? Look at Mane, or Aguero. Grealish, even.
One is a fox in the box striker and the other two play wide, what comparison are you making?

there isn’t a modern 10 in a 433

we play 4231/4213 to accommodate Dele

we can play Tanguy there instead of Dele?
 

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I would entertain the sale of Winks and Alli, personally. Not sure if now is actually the time given a potential market downturn, but the sale of those 2, and some other fringe players, could see us really address some major deficiencies in our squad if we invest wisely (big “if” I know). Know it’s not the most popular thought, and it’d be sad to see them go for sure
 

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Are we not lacking in home grown players?

You can name 8 home grown players
We have:
  • Kane
  • Dele
  • Davies
  • Winks
And a few that could make that list when they are old enough (Sessegnon and Tanganga)

We can't go and buy anyone to replace these players as we are limited in numbers.
 

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I would entertain the sale of Winks and Alli, personally. Not sure if now is actually the time given a potential market downturn, but the sale of those 2, and some other fringe players, could see us really address some major deficiencies in our squad if we invest wisely (big “if” I know). Know it’s not the most popular thought, and it’d be sad to see them go for sure
That's two homegrown players out the squad, unless we replace them with two more homegrown players then I don't think that could happen.
 

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Are we not lacking in home grown players?

You can name 8 home grown players
We have:
  • Kane
  • Dele
  • Davies
  • Winks
And a few that could make that list when they are old enough (Sessegnon and Tanganga)

We can't go and buy anyone to replace these players as we are limited in numbers.
Pretty sure Sess counts because we bought him from another squad into the senior team.
 

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Are we not lacking in home grown players?

You can name 8 home grown players
We have:
  • Kane
  • Dele
  • Davies
  • Winks
And a few that could make that list when they are old enough (Sessegnon and Tanganga)

We can't go and buy anyone to replace these players as we are limited in numbers.
We could boost it with Tanganga, Sess, Skipp, Cirkin, Parrott, Whiteman, Fagan-Walcott etc. We won't sign too many players so don't have to worry about 25 men cap. Foyth gets HG status next season I believe.
 

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I would entertain the sale of Winks and Alli, personally. Not sure if now is actually the time given a potential market downturn, but the sale of those 2, and some other fringe players, could see us really address some major deficiencies in our squad if we invest wisely (big “if” I know). Know it’s not the most popular thought, and it’d be sad to see them go for sure
don't think any team would be interested, especially at the price levy would demand
 

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We could boost it with Tanganga, Sess, Skipp, Cirkin, Parrott, Whiteman, Fagan-Walcott etc. We won't sign too many players so don't have to worry about 25 men cap. Foyth gets HG status next season I believe.
But none of those need to be added to the squad due to their age, and are any of them up to playing instead of Winks or Dele?

For me it just leaves us with a weaker squad if either go.
We need to be holding on and bringing in the best home grown players we can.

I had forgotten about Foyth. Just need to see if he stays with us
 
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