Harry Kane
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mpickard2087
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I think both recent ones could easily have been given as penalties, and with VAR you're even more expecting them to be called, but lets be honest he is massively milking them and very obviously positioning his body to initiate contact and showing no interest in playing the ball. If he is getting a reputation for being a bit sneaky and so refs are reluctant to give them, plus VAR is seemingly also reluctant to overturn on-field decisions, this will keep happening.
Winning a penalty can be a canny bit of play and I've got no issues with attackers doing that, especially when it's a near certain goal the way Kane despatches them, but for me I would like to see him trying to stay on his feet a bit more and trying to play the ball. I think it can get a bit negative if your default is to always look for a foul (this goes for around the pitch too, not just in the area) - last week he could easily have got a shot away, and this one he had a player across the 6 yard box for a tap in if he gets a cross in. I'd like to think that at least one of those results in a goal if the focus is on playing the ball, instead of gambling for the foul (that haven't been given).
Winning a penalty can be a canny bit of play and I've got no issues with attackers doing that, especially when it's a near certain goal the way Kane despatches them, but for me I would like to see him trying to stay on his feet a bit more and trying to play the ball. I think it can get a bit negative if your default is to always look for a foul (this goes for around the pitch too, not just in the area) - last week he could easily have got a shot away, and this one he had a player across the 6 yard box for a tap in if he gets a cross in. I'd like to think that at least one of those results in a goal if the focus is on playing the ball, instead of gambling for the foul (that haven't been given).
punkisback
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This honestly. Salah gets the softest penalties! I really don’t know how he gets away from it. It feels like we need to have the st Johns ambulance on the field before we get one!
G Ron
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Oh Atkinson was consistent - consistently giving us fuck all but blowing up every time a goon hit the deck - pathetic refereeing performance.
Kingellesar
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One thing commentators always say when a player gets a yellow, "they need to target him now and try and get him to make another rash challenge", so they encourage people getting other people sent off, they said it in the first half when Rose was booked.
Harry knew Sokratis would make contact so encouraged it, suddenly he's a diving cheat. Amazing.
If that was a world cup semi final last minute and that happened to Kane and it wasn't given, the media would be calling for us to start a war with whatever country we were playing against.
Irreleavant now though, Kane will go on and bang another 20+ in the league this season and continue to prove why he is one of the best strikers in world football.
Harry knew Sokratis would make contact so encouraged it, suddenly he's a diving cheat. Amazing.
If that was a world cup semi final last minute and that happened to Kane and it wasn't given, the media would be calling for us to start a war with whatever country we were playing against.
Irreleavant now though, Kane will go on and bang another 20+ in the league this season and continue to prove why he is one of the best strikers in world football.
Stamford
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Very interesting article about Harry by Jonathan Liew. It's been raised before but he doesn't look the same despite still delivering
https://t.co/BXThed3wey?amp=1
https://t.co/BXThed3wey?amp=1
What about the arsenal pen at Wembley last year. I've mentioned it before. Watch the amount of heavy contact Kane receives during games and rarely gets anything from refs.
Shadydan
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Two in two for him, clearly he is a diver.
Just to clarify, Atkinson did give a free kick for what happened in the box after Kane went down, that means he should have been booked. Once again in a highly charged game we had a shit ref.
dagraham
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That is a great article. Have to say that over the last few years it’s been hard to shake the feeling we were risking Kane burning out at some stage far too early than he should.
SpartanSpur
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I think there is a pretty easy answer to this, Kane is a player that takes a long time to hit peak fitness. Hence his previously poor records in August. I was quite alarmed at how tired he seemed to be in that second half, although saying that he still gets into the box for a 50/50 penalty shout and also sets Sissoko up with a great chance at the death.
We need to hope we he can have an injury free season, and if so I'm sure he'll be back to the all round beast of a couple of years ago. I think he looks better physically already, leaner than last year, but like a few others is still transitioning from 'pre-season fit' to 'match fit'.
Stamford
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Don't think it's that simple, truly believe he's changed his playing style and it's for the worse. I said it the other day but if you look at clips of game 3 years ago he's a different player and far better imo. I don't think we are better with him out of the side as he's class but we look less fluid
SpartanSpur
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Maybe I'm clutching at straws and the injuries have hampered his mobility, but I think it's fair to say his last 2 seasons have been massively affected by injuries. Play style I think is a lot down to Poch's formation changes. There were signs in the NLD that we were going to start having players buzzing around him again, and fatigue aside, he was certainly getting in the game more than any other this season once Dele (and later on) Lo Celso came on.
As for not making tackles, everyone was saying after the injury against Delph that he needs to stop making pointless tackles so he can't win!
dagraham
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I’m not bothered he’s not flying into tackles, but he just looks far less mobile, agile and unable to boss defences like he did. Look at the player who dominated Liverpool at Wembley a couple of years ago. He just doesn’t physically seem capable of that now.
It could be tactical, but I can’t help feel it’s a consequence of playing too much and his injuries.
SpartanSpur
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If he's like this in six weeks time having avoided injury I'll agree with you. I'm keeping an optimistic outlook for now. I can't lie, I was concerned with how laboured he was in that second half on Sunday.
thebenjamin
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I remember when he first burst onto the scene he was running 12KM a game on average or something, chasing everything that moved, and apparently Alan Shearer told him he was the same and it was unsustainable, so H should change his style or he'd burn out young.
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I'm sorry if this has been posted already but it's quite interesting:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ino-latest-future-jonathan-liew-a9088981.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ino-latest-future-jonathan-liew-a9088981.html
JKendall13
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Fuck sake, back again with the naff Harry Kane think pieces. Moving goal posts as always, used to be he couldn't score in August and now that he does it is some other ineffable problem.
Since Kane broke through, his worst league goal scoring season was last year when he was injured for a large portion and he still got 17 league goals. Before that, we hadn't had a striker score more than 17 league goals in a season since Klinsmann scored 20 in 94/95.
Kane's worst season is the best striker season we've had in a generation. Let's not fucking over complicate this. He's world class.
Since Kane broke through, his worst league goal scoring season was last year when he was injured for a large portion and he still got 17 league goals. Before that, we hadn't had a striker score more than 17 league goals in a season since Klinsmann scored 20 in 94/95.
Kane's worst season is the best striker season we've had in a generation. Let's not fucking over complicate this. He's world class.
dagraham
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Think you’re missing the point. No one is disputing he is world class or still able to score goals.
They are talking about the physical aspects of his game ( something that made him the player that he was). And whether it is a deliberate tactical change or one necessitated by injuries/accumulated fatigue.
It’s a perfectly valid observation, although I agree that the assertion in the article that Kane doesn’t fit the system anymore is taking the argument too far.
