Harry Kane

[wrd]

A lot of people are pointing to other pens given so therefore Kane’s one should have been.

You can't call those a dive and then say Kane should have a penalty because those were. Be consistent. I think we've seen penalties given for less but I'd say the refs were fucking idiots for giving them.

 

[Shadydan]

A lot of people are pointing to other pens given so therefore Kane’s one should have been.

I see, yeah that's just nonsense whataboutery, pens need to be reviewed as isolated incidents.

 

[The Scarecrow]

I expected Kane to square it to Lo Celso for an easy tap in. I don't mind him playing dirty at times, but it's detrimental to the team when players look for fouls instead of team mates.

 

[dagraham]

You can't call those a dive and then say Kane should have a penalty because those were. Be consistent. I think we've seen penalties given for less but I'd say the refs were fucking idiots for giving them.

Yeah. Football is a game of subtleties and grey areas. Otherwise you will have a non contact sport.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Lucky Kane wasn't booked then ...

 

[dagraham]

Lucky Kane wasn't booked then ...

Why? Just because a penalty is not awarded doesn’t mean it has to be a blatant dive or simulation as they call it.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Why? Just because a penalty is not awarded doesn’t mean it has to be a blatant dive or simulation as they call it.

I thought Atkinson gave a free kick to Arsenal for the incident?

 

[dagraham]

I thought Atkinson gave a free kick to Arsenal for the incident?

Did he? Didn’t realise that.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Did he? Didn’t realise that.

Unless it was a signal for a goal kick ... Which means contact was made with Kane without the defender winning the ball.

 

[Spurrific]

I thought Atkinson gave a free kick to Arsenal for the incident?

Goal kick, iirc.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Goal kick, iirc.

Interesting.

Two in two for Kane, he'll have to let Sonny win them all.

 

[yankspurs]

Sorry but that's not a pen on Kane - take your Spurs-glasses off.
In the penalty box, there has to be more contact. For me he went for the penalty and didn't get it instead of playing Lo Celso in the middle for an easy goal.

Like Kane said himself it's 50/50 in the penalty box, if not in the box it's a free kick everyday. He's right and it's weird because i feel referees has to set a better line.

The one on Dele vs. Ceballos though still baffles me, how we couldn't get anything for that wow..

50/50 is pushing it, IMO. Kane just fell over and was looking for the penalty. I said it last week when McTominay did the same thing for Utd. Absolutely no intention to do anything other than drawing the penalty. It's like diving. He should have been given a yellow for that. Its a part of the game that needs to go.

Dele vs Ceballos is an easy penalty though.

 

[dimiSpur]

I agree with Harry that outside the box he gets that. It seems that for a penalty to be awarded it has to be a foul+. It was a subjective call, but I wouldn't say it was a dive. It was clever play from Harry if given. He saw the defender coming steaming in, and placed his body between him and the ball, so that Sokratis made contact with him.

I still would have preferred it if he tried smashing one in the far corner or picked out GLC of course!

 

[nailsy]

Harry Kane at the start of the game today was excellent. The problem is he’s constantly coming deep to make things happen, because our midfield is so weak it drags the forwards back. Kane uses far too much energy running about and is rarely in the incredible positions he used to be in.

This is his problem, because he really doesn’t need to do it, but it’s the kind of player he is, he wants to win and can see that the team behind him can’t do it on their own.

He's starting to remind me of Wayne Rooney a bit now. He was always playing much more of a free role and dropping deep to get the ball.

Think it's a good question. He was an outstanding talisman. However I can see why poch will keep playing him to play him back into form as such.

The thing is previously it was relatively normal for him to get a goal out of nothing. He was Bale esque at times. I remember defending janssen when he played early in the season due to kanes injury, in that we created nothing. He looked lost but he had literally no service. But when kane returned he seemed to score goals.

Begs me to think how many good chances we actually create. Today we looked better transitioning quicker, counter attacking purposefully. Some nice triangles close passing and quicker passing. Sometimes I think we play better this way, the Liverpool game probably being the pinnacle of this style when we beat them was it 4.1?

Anyway tactically how do we get the best out of kane of he is to be that oerminant fixture. Personally I'd drop him here and there just to get his hunger up. He's England's golden boy, probably a bit undeservingly. His start to his England career was great. Though he stank a bit at the world Cup.

Do we even play to his strengths in creating. We hardly seem to play any through balls, who was a kane specialty, does he have the pace and strength to still do this, with a long run? I did notice more movement from kane when alli came on. Maybe its the team that's the problem.

Who knows, Harry may surprise us and get back to that talisman stature. That shot today with the outside of the boot with the ball running away from goal was simply gorgeous though. Couple millimetres more bend and that's a banger of a goal. That was absolute quality. The pen was quality. His header for the goal build up was quality. He still has quality. I'd just love to know what's wrong.

That's harsh. He was the top scorer. I know you can say he wasn't at his best, that he scored some penalties and one deflected in off him, but he was still the top scorer at the world cup which is a fantastic achievement.

Should have a penalty last week and now this week.

Not sure why the media is looking to label him a diver. Both would have been fouls anywhere else on the pitch, and you have to feel for any other team in any other game.

since when has getting your body between the ball and defender been “initiating contact” or a dive? Countless times a game defenders shepherd the ball out of play like this, feel the contact and go down. Sokratis was clumsy and took him down.

I've decided that I don't know what a penalty is any more and this stuff about initiating contact is confusing so I looked at the rules on the FIFA website:

Impeding the progress of an opponent without contact
A) Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.

B) All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.

C) A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.

The definition of charge:

Charge (an opponent) - Physical challenge against an opponent, usually using the shoulder and upper arm (which is kept close to the body)

A & B aren't really relevant in this situation as the ball was in playing distance so it's down to C. Has Harry done anything in regards to C that would mean he would give away a free kick? And if he hasn't was the charge on him fair? Both of those things need to be taken into consideration before you even look at whether he went down easily.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

There's a lot missing from the team if you think about it at depth.

Kane's form is directly linked to that of his teammates and when you consider the form of the main creative forces that lead to his sustained goalscoring you're looking at an out of form Eriksen (for whatever reason), an Alli that had to play so much deeper because of our midfield crisis, a Dembele that has since left and two fullbacks that don't get forward enough to provide width because we don't have a DMC who is capable of splitting the centrebacks and is fit and able right now.

If we had Dier or Wanyama back in form and fitness both Jan and Toby would split and cover the fullback slots and the KWP and Rose would get much further up the pitch.

Dembele used to create so much space for Eriksen that he'd have so much time to pick out those passes from between the defence and midfield lines and he'd have the multiple runners like Kane, a back post Alli and Son buzzing around the edge of the box.

There is a lot that is missing but most of it comes down to lacking the same defensive stability that we previously had in my opinion

I think you made some excellent points here. Particularly the use of alli deeper last season. ?

 

[Gassin's finest]

 

[spursgirls]

Had to laugh at this!

 

[ajspurs]

Why? Just because a penalty is not awarded doesn’t mean it has to be a blatant dive or simulation as they call it.

I'm gonna be honest, I hate it when players do what Kane did... Vardy used to often do the same and it pissed me off then too.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

It was clearly a penalty and if Sanchez did it at the other end most people saying it was a dive would be all over him for being so rash and ‘giving the ref a decision to make’

 

[southlondonyiddo]

It was clearly a penalty and if Sanchez did it at the other end most people saying it was a dive would be all over him for being so rash and ‘giving the ref a decision to make’

Wasn’t a pen but your probably right re Sanchez and 100% if it had been Aurier