Player Watch Player Watch: Harry Kane

nailsy

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I think people are just bitter he has a view on Kane we all disagree with. I did think his comments were stupid. When I think of Shearer I think newcastle and premier league legend, I was about 6 when he won the league with Blackburn but my point is I don't remember his league win, it's an irrelevancy to me. I think Kane will go down as an alltime premier league great and certainly one of, if not the greatest spurs player of all time (especially for me at 28). There's more than one way to be remembered in this game.
Totally agree with this. If he stays he'll be up there with Le Tissier, Totti and Shearer as club legends. To be honest he's already up there and I wouldn't begrudge him a move in a few years if he still hasn't won anything.... although he have to go abroad. I'd hate to see him playing in the premier League for another side.
 

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But he still scored a goal every other game in those worthwhile leagues. 17 in 33 at United, 57 in 88 at Inter, 16 in 29 at Barcelona, 42 in 61 at Milan. Only 23 in 70 at Juventus though.
Which makes him a good striker, and w consistently good striker, but a top striker?

Henry for Arsenal was significantly better than 1 in 2 for every single season for 8 seasons running, and he left for Barcelona when he was on the decline at 30, playing the support act to Messi for three years and still managed 35 in 80 in total. He was a top striker.

Van Nistelrooy scores 95 in 150 for Utd, went to Madrid at 30, and scored 46 in 68.

Alan Shearer really exploded at 20 with the beginning of the premier league, scoring 112 in 138 for Blackburn, then moving to Newcastle and scoring only 148 in 303 with 20+ goals only 4 times.

Ronaldo scores 117 in 164 across two stints in Spain, and 58 in 88 across two stints in Serie A.

These guys were top strikers. All of these bar Henry posted these statistics while contending with alarming injuries.

And Harry Kane, at still 25, has scored122 top league goals in 172 matches, so about a full season and a bit away from catching the 155 Ibrahimovic managed in 281 matches, or a rate of 0.7 games per goal v 1.8 games per goal.

Ibra was a good striker, and good strikers post those kinds of figures. Talent great, good as a striker. Occasionally very good. Top strikers, truly top class forwards, shit all over his career statistics. That’s why his longest spell was playing for by far the best side in a second rate league, because at least there his ego could be padded.

Come on, you're more rational than this. He has 11 league titles, and a host of other trophies. You don't score the number of goals he has, and play for the teams he has, and win the things he has, if you aren't a top striker.

He's obviously quite a character, but he has been a brilliant footballer. If he'd played for us we would have learned a thing or two about a winning mentality in the big games.
I’ve never said he wasn’t a brilliant footballer, he clearly was, I’d be mad to contest that, but to my mind top strikers tear apart goalscoring records, especially when they’ve almost always played for the best side in the league. His output as a goal scorer was, I’d say, the minimum expected considering the teams he was leading the line for. I am confident in say that given the exact same circumstances Harry Kane would have scored significantly more goals.
 

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Which makes him a good striker, and w consistently good striker, but a top striker?

Henry for Arsenal was significantly better than 1 in 2 for every single season for 8 seasons running, and he left for Barcelona when he was on the decline at 30, playing the support act to Messi for three years and still managed 35 in 80 in total. He was a top striker.

Van Nistelrooy scores 95 in 150 for Utd, went to Madrid at 30, and scored 46 in 68.

Alan Shearer really exploded at 20 with the beginning of the premier league, scoring 112 in 138 for Blackburn, then moving to Newcastle and scoring only 148 in 303 with 20+ goals only 4 times.

Ronaldo scores 117 in 164 across two stints in Spain, and 58 in 88 across two stints in Serie A.

These guys were top strikers. All of these bar Henry posted these statistics while contending with alarming injuries.

And Harry Kane, at still 25, has scored122 top league goals in 172 matches, so about a full season and a bit away from catching the 155 Ibrahimovic managed in 281 matches, or a rate of 0.7 games per goal v 1.8 games per goal.

Ibra was a good striker, and good strikers post those kinds of figures. Talent great, good as a striker. Occasionally very good. Top strikers, truly top class forwards, shit all over his career statistics. That’s why his longest spell was playing for by far the best side in a second rate league, because at least there his ego could be padded.



I’ve never said he wasn’t a brilliant footballer, he clearly was, I’d be mad to contest that, but to my mind top strikers tear apart goalscoring records, especially when they’ve almost always played for the best side in the league. His output as a goal scorer was, I’d say, the minimum expected considering the teams he was leading the line for. I am confident in say that given the exact same circumstances Harry Kane would have scored significantly more goals.
You said he's not a top striker, but he's a brilliant player. Ibrahimovic had an incredible all-round game.. Top strikers do not "shit all over" his stats, and certainly not his honors. Footballers' talent and effectiveness are measured in more than their goal ratio. A few elite strikers have scored more goals per game on average. That doesn't mean he's not in that elite club. I'm astonished you are arguing differently.

Messi and Kane are out on their own. Shearer, Kane, Henry, Ibrahimovic, RVN, Drogba and others were-are elite strikers in the modern era.

To say Ibrahimovic was "sometimes very good" is crazy, sorry.
 

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I think people are just bitter he has a view on Kane we all disagree with. I did think his comments were stupid. When I think of Shearer I think newcastle and premier league legend, I was about 6 when he won the league with Blackburn but my point is I don't remember his league win, it's an irrelevancy to me. I think Kane will go down as an alltime premier league great and certainly one of, if not the greatest spurs player of all time (especially for me at 28). There's more than one way to be remembered in this game.
Meh, the interview was with a betting company he's an ambassador for. It was just controversial opinions for cheap PR points and, as people seem to be taking it seriously, it's clearly worked for them.
 

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You said he's not a top striker, but he's a brilliant player. Ibrahimovic had an incredible all-round game.. Top strikers do not "shit all over" his stats, and certainly not his honors. Footballers' talent and effectiveness are measured in more than their goal ratio. A few elite strikers have scored more goals per game on average. That doesn't mean he's not in that elite club. I'm astonished you are arguing differently.

Messi and Kane are out on their own. Shearer, Kane, Henry, Ibrahimovic, RVN, Drogba and others were-are elite strikers in the modern era.

To say Ibrahimovic was "sometimes very good" is crazy, sorry.
Strikers are measured by their goals, Ibra’s goal record is good, not great, which I have displayed. You may find that simplistic but there are enough examples of great goal outputs who also have great all round games, none more so than close to home.

As for the honours argument, Nicky Butt won six premier leagues, three FA Cups and the Champions League, while Hoddle had 2 FA cups and a UEFA cup to his name and Le Tissiet’s career ended without a pot. Being top class doesn’t necessarily correlate with medals, as again shown by one of our own.

Ibra was wonderful to watch, but he and his agent chose his moves brilliantly. He was at Juventus during Calciopoli, and then at Inter while Juve were recovering. He was at Barcelona with the Messi Xavi Iniesta era at full swing and Guardiola running the show, and loaned to Milan when they were well on the way to becoming champions. This is not to say he didn’t make a valid contribution to all those successes, but they would all have been achieved without him too in my opinion as long as capable striker was in his place, say Klose or Adebayor.

Top striker? One of the best? Nah, I can reel off ten of the same generation who are better without evening thinking.
 

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Strikers are measured by their goals, Ibra’s goal record is good, not great, which I have displayed. You may find that simplistic but there are enough examples of great goal outputs who also have great all round games, none more so than close to home.

As for the honours argument, Nicky Butt won six premier leagues, three FA Cups and the Champions League, while Hoddle had 2 FA cups and a UEFA cup to his name and Le Tissiet’s career ended without a pot. Being top class doesn’t necessarily correlate with medals, as again shown by one of our own.

Ibra was wonderful to watch, but he and his agent chose his moves brilliantly. He was at Juventus during Calciopoli, and then at Inter while Juve were recovering. He was at Barcelona with the Messi Xavi Iniesta era at full swing and Guardiola running the show, and loaned to Milan when they were well on the way to becoming champions. This is not to say he didn’t make a valid contribution to all those successes, but they would all have been achieved without him too in my opinion as long as capable striker was in his place, say Klose or Adebayor.

Top striker? One of the best? Nah, I can reel off ten of the same generation who are better without evening thinking.
Strikers aren't just measured in goals. I guess all those managers were wrong, and the teams carried Ibrahimovic.
 
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Strikers are measured by their goals, Ibra’s goal record is good, not great, which I have displayed. You may find that simplistic but there are enough examples of great goal outputs who also have great all round games, none more so than close to home.

As for the honours argument, Nicky Butt won six premier leagues, three FA Cups and the Champions League, while Hoddle had 2 FA cups and a UEFA cup to his name and Le Tissiet’s career ended without a pot. Being top class doesn’t necessarily correlate with medals, as again shown by one of our own.

Ibra was wonderful to watch, but he and his agent chose his moves brilliantly. He was at Juventus during Calciopoli, and then at Inter while Juve were recovering. He was at Barcelona with the Messi Xavi Iniesta era at full swing and Guardiola running the show, and loaned to Milan when they were well on the way to becoming champions. This is not to say he didn’t make a valid contribution to all those successes, but they would all have been achieved without him too in my opinion as long as capable striker was in his place, say Klose or Adebayor.

Top striker? One of the best? Nah, I can reel off ten of the same generation who are better without evening thinking.
Not necessarily, Drogba, Del Piero, Zola, Cantona weren't solely measure by their goals, they were measure by their all round play, their influence on the pitch and the fact they were winners with big game mentalities, Zlatlan has a better goal scoring record than those players and played at the top level for much longer than them for consistently better teams if you're comparing careers, surely you're not discounting them as being 'top players' as well then in that case?

As for the honours argument - Nicky Butt? Come off it. Zlatlan has won trophies at every club he's been to in almost every season, it's simplistic enough to compare an above average player who stayed at a top club and picked up countless trophies season after season the game is littered with them, or it used to be anyway but if you're consistently playing for top clubs and constantly pick up trophies it means that you're considered a top player.

No idea what you mean regarding the club's he's moved to, it's like you're trying to say that he cherry picked the clubs he signed for lol, you know that the buying clubs have to agree to sign him don't you? I just don't know how that can be used as a criticism against him.

Would like to see your top 10 strikers of his generation who are/were considered better than him in your opinion.
 

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Van Basten was one of the best strikers ever but he only managed 20 league goals in a top league once in his six seasons in Italy.

It's not really worth arguing over the definition of a top striker. They're all exceptional players... although Harry's obviously the best.
 

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Kane has a World Cup Golden Boot. For me that surpasses anything Ibrahimovich has done. FFS ... even players like Phil Neville has premier league and CL winners medals.
 

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Despite the fact he only ever hit double figures for Premier League goals 8 times in his entire career, with only 4 of those 8 times seeing him get more than 11, Jermaine Defoe was idolised. Yet knows fuck all about team work or unselfishness.

The funniest (or most ironic?) thing about all of this "Ibrahimovic was overrated / not a great striker" chat, is probably being spouted by the very same people who spent a decade or so wanking themselves purple over Jermaine Defoe.

Gotta love Spurs Community :rolleyes:
 

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Really don’t understand the controversy over saying that Ibra was a great player but only a good striker, nor do I understand the personal ire it is attracting (no @coopsieyid , I did not wank myself silly over Defoe, comically short men or Afro Caribbean descent are not my thing. I do think he was a pretty good striker though, and amongst the better options we’ve had in the premier league era).
 

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Really don’t understand the controversy over saying that Ibra was a great player but only a good striker, nor do I understand the personal ire it is attracting (no @coopsieyid , I did not wank myself silly over Defoe, comically short men or Afro Caribbean descent are not my thing. I do think he was a pretty good striker though, and amongst the better options we’ve had in the premier league era).
He scored nearly 450 club goals at some of the biggest sides in world football and scored over 60 international goals

That is a brilliant goalscoring career on its own without all the assists and silverware

Much much much better than good old boy
 

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Ibra made it to one CL semi-final in his entire career and was benched for it, don't know how many quarter final goals he had but don't think it was more than a few. Too easy to contain at the top level.
 

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I doubt Zlatan even knows who we are. All he'll see is the best striker in the world and be baffled at why he isn't pursuing the money, fame and glory at the European giants like he did.
Should remember us knocking his milan side out of the CL whilst we was completely anonymous for 180 mins
 

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Miguel Delaney @ the Independent writing that Kane is again recovering quicker than expected.

Sources close to Kane apparently.

Delaney is one of the rare journalists that doesn’t churn out bullshit too.
 
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