Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[Shanks]

I love that arsenal thought they got one over on us when they signed Raya

It’s all small margarine with keepers, raya is better with his feet, no doubt about it, but is weaker in other areas, than quite a fair few keepers in the league.
Arteta wants a keeper to slot in as an extra on field player, there aren’t many that can do that job, and even fewer that have all round consistency’s to their game too (jump, height, handling, reactions - close to and far from feet etc)…

Raya fits the bill of what arteta wanted and Raya was probably the best around for that purpose, I don’t think it’s a matter of getting one over or lucky escape etc (not directed at you though mate)

 

[tommyt]

Raya's form is probably not helped with the focus on the tension (media only??) Between him and Ramsdale. But that is not our problem and Vicario has been an absolute star so far!!

 

[Shanks]

Raya's form is probably not helped with the focus on the tension (media only??) Between him and Ramsdale. But that is not our problem and Vicario has been an absolute star so far!!

Nah experienced keeper not to worry about the media shit, even ramsdale won’t let that impact (although the latter will without a doubt be pissed off).

 

[Locotoro]

It’s all small margarine with keepers, raya is better with his feet, no doubt about it, but is weaker in other areas, than quite a fair few keepers in the league.
Arteta wants a keeper to slot in as an extra on field player, there aren’t many that can do that job, and even fewer that have all round consistency’s to their game too (jump, height, handling, reactions - close to and far from feet etc)…

Raya fits the bill of what arteta wanted and Raya was probably the best around for that purpose, I don’t think it’s a matter of getting one over or lucky escape etc (not directed at you though mate)

I disagree that Raya is better with his feet than Vicario. I think Vicario is a smarter ball player and braver as well. He's a better keeper almost across the board apart from claiming the ball.
Obviously Raya is suited to Arsenal's needs so I agree in that respect but if we had got Raya and Arsenal had got Vicario they would have been billing him as equal to Ederson and Allison 100%

 

[Shanks]

I disagree that Raya is better with his feet than Vicario. I think Vicario is a smarter ball player and braver as well. He's a better keeper almost across the board apart from claiming the ball.
Obviously Raya is suited to Arsenal's needs so I agree in that respect but if we had got Raya and Arsenal had got Vicario they would have been billing him as equal to Ederson and Allison 100%

Not disagreeing with the being billed part, but in the same breath, vicario isn’t Italy’s number 1 (where I think he should be) and whilst I didn’t want Raya either, he is right up there as a ball playing keeper, one of the very best.
It’s all opinions though pal.

 

[Trix]

It’s all small margarine with keepers, raya is better with his feet, no doubt about it, but is weaker in other areas, than quite a fair few keepers in the league.
Arteta wants a keeper to slot in as an extra on field player, there aren’t many that can do that job, and even fewer that have all round consistency’s to their game too (jump, height, handling, reactions - close to and far from feet etc)…

Raya fits the bill of what arteta wanted and Raya was probably the best around for that purpose, I don’t think it’s a matter of getting one over or lucky escape etc (not directed at you though mate)

Seen this a lot especially at academy level where clubs are all looking for keepers who can play out. I also went along to all the trials for England schoolboys this year and spoke in length to selectors from all over the country, most of whom are older gentlemen now, ex scouts and coaches etc and one of the remits from the current manager is that the keeper must be good with his feet. Their thoughts were very much shared with mine, in that we've had to pass on better actual keepers who can keep the ball out of the net in order to fill this specific criteria.

 

[arunspurs]

Vicario is a proper shot shopper first.
Vicario doesnt yet have a great distribution of passes in his locker - like Onana ability to ping a pass 40 or 50 yards out perfectly.

But what Vicario has that most great distributors dont have is, composure under pressure and ability to play simple passes to help build up play. This I realise now, is more important for a GK than being perfect long range passer.

 

[p.l.edmonds]

Vicario is a proper shot shopper first.
Vicario doesnt yet have a great distribution of passes in his locker - like Onana ability to ping a pass 40 or 50 yards out perfectly.

But what Vicario has that most great distributors dont have is, composure under pressure and ability to play simple passes to help build up play. This I realise now, is more important for a GK than being perfect long range passer.

This was always Lloris' biggest failing. It wasn't that he was a terrible passer - he wasn't great, but certainly not the worst - it's that it was so often panicked, and so often played the defence into trouble. IMO that's why his stats looked better than you thought - his passes found their man (an acceptable % of the time, anyway), but defenders were stretching or adjusting or fetching passes and could only knock it upfield hopefully or out of play or (more likely) play an even more risky pass.

And he seemed to get worse for it over the years, rather than better. Maybe that's more and more teams realising that pressing him would so often be rewarded.

Love Lloris for his service to the club, but LLoris to Vicario is comfortably the biggest upgrade we've made in recent years.

 

[Japhet]

This was always Lloris' biggest failing. It wasn't that he was a terrible passer - he wasn't great, but certainly not the worst - it's that it was so often panicked, and so often played the defence into trouble. IMO that's why his stats looked better than you thought - his passes found their man (an acceptable % of the time, anyway), but defenders were stretching or adjusting or fetching passes and could only knock it upfield hopefully or out of play or (more likely) play an even more risky pass.

And he seemed to get worse for it over the years, rather than better. Maybe that's more and more teams realising that pressing him would so often be rewarded.

Love Lloris for his service to the club, but LLoris to Vicario is comfortably the biggest upgrade we've made in recent years.

Lloris always managed to balloon the ball up in the air whenever he kicked off the ground. It always gave opponents plenty of time to get under it and put in a challenge. Plenty of keepers now can ping a flat pass to a player way up the pitch and it takes half the time to get there which puts you straight on the front foot. Ederson is a prime example. I think Vics pretty good with his feet personally.

 

[Frank Blank]

Seen this a lot especially at academy level where clubs are all looking for keepers who can play out. I also went along to all the trials for England schoolboys this year and spoke in length to selectors from all over the country, most of whom are older gentlemen now, ex scouts and coaches etc and one of the remits from the current manager is that the keeper must be good with his feet. Their thoughts were very much shared with mine, in that we've had to pass on better actual keepers who can keep the ball out of the net in order to fill this specific criteria.

Well, apart from my fat finger pressing the 'remove' icon by mistake, a glaring example of a good goalkeeper who can't play out from the back is Nick Pope. Clearly his shot stopping abilities overcome his deficiencies elsewhere, but I'm still surprised Eddie Howe has taken this appraoch.

Just to add, Onana's distribution yesterday was worse than Lloris. It was truly dreadful.

 

[Trix]

Well, apart from my fat finger pressing the 'remove' icon by mistake, a glaring example of a good goalkeeper who can't play out from the back is Nick Pope. Clearly his shot stopping abilities overcome his deficiencies elsewhere, but I'm still surprised Eddie Howe has taken this appraoch.

Just to add, Onana's distribution yesterday was worse than Lloris. It was truly dreadful.

I think it's horses for courses personally, but I do think far too much emphasis is being put on being able to play out like an outfield player. I'm not bothered if Vic can't ping a ball 40 yards to the wings as long as he's calm whilst being pressed and keeps the ball out of the net. I also think Ange's philosophy is quite different to Peps in that I think Ange wants us to play through the middle under pressure in order to draw players in create spaces in behind the pressing players to create overloads that way. pep draws them in and Ederson is then able to bypass them over the top and to the full backs. Newcastle are just more direct. All 3 systems work in their own way and are effective.

It's still the case for me though that my keepers primary attribute should be shot stopping, and that's why I'm happy with Vic over the other 2 mentioned.

 

[Shanks]

Seen this a lot especially at academy level where clubs are all looking for keepers who can play out. I also went along to all the trials for England schoolboys this year and spoke in length to selectors from all over the country, most of whom are older gentlemen now, ex scouts and coaches etc and one of the remits from the current manager is that the keeper must be good with his feet. Their thoughts were very much shared with mine, in that we've had to pass on better actual keepers who can keep the ball out of the net in order to fill this specific criteria.

Yep, absolutely agree, it’s why my lad has worked so hard on all aspects of his game it’s even more so the higher up the ladder the team are too.


my personal opinion is I want my goalkeeper to keep the ball out of the net first!

incidently my little cousin is woth England camp this week (u15 keeper currently at Southampton)

 

[Styopa]

This was always Lloris' biggest failing. It wasn't that he was a terrible passer - he wasn't great, but certainly not the worst - it's that it was so often panicked, and so often played the defence into trouble. IMO that's why his stats looked better than you thought - his passes found their man (an acceptable % of the time, anyway), but defenders were stretching or adjusting or fetching passes and could only knock it upfield hopefully or out of play or (more likely) play an even more risky pass.

And he seemed to get worse for it over the years, rather than better. Maybe that's more and more teams realising that pressing him would so often be rewarded.

Love Lloris for his service to the club, but LLoris to Vicario is comfortably the biggest upgrade we've made in recent years.

Lloris was a great keeper, maybe the best keeper I can remember at Spurs. The issue is that everyone now remembers him on the downward trajectory rather than how he was for the rest of his ten years at the club.

Vicario is an upgrade for sure but if he can achieve something close to what Lloris achieved-winning a World Cup, playing in a champions League final, finishing 2nd in the Premier League etc then he would have had a wonderful career.

 

[jordibwoy]

Vicario is a proper shot shopper first.
Vicario doesnt yet have a great distribution of passes in his locker - like Onana ability to ping a pass 40 or 50 yards out perfectly.

But what Vicario has that most great distributors dont have is, composure under pressure and ability to play simple passes to help build up play. This I realise now, is more important for a GK than being perfect long range passer.

Another thing is his comfort with both feet. He has no problem switching to his left foot to hit a ball 40 yards and more often than not he actually hits his target with it, so he's so difficult to press.

 

[Locotoro]

Not disagreeing with the being billed part, but in the same breath, vicario isn’t Italy’s number 1 (where I think he should be) and whilst I didn’t want Raya either, he is right up there as a ball playing keeper, one of the very best.
It’s all opinions though pal.

Fair points.

On the Italy number 1, I'm told by an Italian colleague that Dollarruma (as he's infamously known) in number 1 in no one's eyes except senior people in the FA. There is quite possibly some nefarious influence being applied to force his selection. Even when his form fell off a cliff he was still racking up the caps

 

[Oscar22]

It’s all small margarine with keepers, raya is better with his feet, no doubt about it, but is weaker in other areas, than quite a fair few keepers in the league.
Arteta wants a keeper to slot in as an extra on field player, there aren’t many that can do that job, and even fewer that have all round consistency’s to their game too (jump, height, handling, reactions - close to and far from feet etc)…

Raya fits the bill of what arteta wanted and Raya was probably the best around for that purpose, I don’t think it’s a matter of getting one over or lucky escape etc (not directed at you though mate)

It may only be ‘small margarine’ mate, however it’s much butter to have skills across an even spread…

 

[Oscar22]

Not necessarily. It very much depends on how you are being asked to play and how the team is set up.

Read it again Trix buddy…

 

[Ribble]

Fair points.

On the Italy number 1, I'm told by an Italian colleague that Dollarruma (as he's infamously known) in number 1 in no one's eyes except senior people in the FA. There is quite possibly some nefarious influence being applied to force his selection. Even when his form fell off a cliff he was still racking up the caps

Vic is surely pushing him now for that spot, playing in a much more competitive league & getting a lot of eyes on his performances.

 

[Dannyspur]

It may only be ‘small margarine’ mate, however it’s much butter to have skills across an even spread…

Flora start, they need to be an anchor man yet be more Pro-Activ in a lurpacked penalty area.

 

[Locotoro]

Flora start, they need to be an anchor man yet be more Pro-Activ in a lurpacked penalty area.

He'll be useful this winter as we churn through the fixtures