Eric Dier

[TEESSIDE1]

I see.

I nearly responded to your comment a few above this regarding his "not looking happy" and all that...glad I waited.

Let me start by asking you how much non-stop football Dier played up until injuries finally did him last season? From the moment he made his debut? Think about that.

"He keeps getting slated for his poor performances"...I see. So that means something does it? Means more than Southgate and Pochettino continually having him in their set-ups? I see. One thing I personally won't do is let the numptynet, and all its shit amateur coaches, tell me what I see and what I think. Opinions are one thing; opinions because of the opinions of others? That's everything which is wrong with the modern supporter (IMO).

Regarding Alderweireld, a great right-sided centre-back I agree, but recently he has been both injury-prone and made several big mistakes which have cost us either directly or indirectly (not helped by sometimes being played on the left). Not much of a midfielder mind, although he quite obviously is a specialist position player (BTW, how many versatile players do we have? Dier , Dele - who funnily enough also got caned by some despite him spending half the season playing a different role!)...

Tet you choose to evaluate Dier as a CB when he clearly has not played there nearly enough to find rhythm or consistency. Bizarre.

Dier and Alderweireld's stats are not hugely dissimilar. As you'd expect, Dier has more assists, Toby better defensive numbers but not by a huge amount...the BIGGEST difference between their numbers, is that Eric Dier is involved in more actions. He is looking to win more 50/50s, win more tackles, will take a yellow for the cause, etc. The win/loss ratio for both inn their total games is very, very similar (we have won slightly more with Dier but that means little without context).

What I cannot reconcile is how you, and others like you, cannot see the IMMENSE qualities this versatile, committed and loyal leader brings to our squad. Eric Dier is a brave fucking guy. A warrior. You say he "hasn't looked happy" for a while, it is because he has been playing hurt for a long time, pushing through to give his best and is unable to play consistently. I'd be pretty disappointed if he was "happy" with all that.

As I stood applauding us off the pitch at the Wanda, feeling dejected, flat and bewildered by everything which had (or hadn't) happened, I noticed one player gathering the side from the turf to form a line and go to get our runners up medals. Yes, Eric Dier . It absolutely typified EVERYTHING about this man IMO, someone who does the dirty jobs, the unwanted jobs, but the jobs which big clubs have to have done. I think he is a leader. 100%. And obviously Poch and Southgate agree.

Eric Dier never, ever hides. Never has, never will.

If we were ever unlucky enough to lose him, it appears folks like your good self wouldn't know what you were missing until they weren't there.

Dier is our version of Phil Jones, a Jack of many trades a master of none.

If we bring in Ceballos and Lo Celso he won’t get a sniff in midfield with NDombele, Sissoko, Winks, and even a fit again Wanyama ahead of him. He’s too slow and limited for the high press we like to play.

As a CB it’s a no for me... he’s nowhere near in Toby or Jan’s league. Even if Toby goes we’re being heavily linked with Saliba. That will leave us Jan, Sanchez, Saliba, Foyth and Davies... again, no place for Dier.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Would that be classed as a procedure though? I'd call it an operation. A procedure should be a more simple thing I think.

Dunno Mrs tbh.

 

[allatsea]

I wish we'd be more specific about what kind of issue was detected, if for no other reason than to avoid speculation.

Just hope it doesn't have anything to do with his ticker.

Wondered if it was a hernia ?

 

[thfcsteff]

Dier is our version of Phil Jones, a Jack of many trades a master of none.

If we bring in Ceballos and Lo Celso he won’t get a sniff in midfield with NDombele, Sissoko, Winks, and even a fit again Wanyama ahead of him. He’s too slow and limited for the high press we like to play.

As a CB it’s a no for me... he’s nowhere near in Toby or Jan’s league. Even if Toby goes we’re being heavily linked with Saliba. That will leave us Jan, Sanchez, Saliba, Foyth and Davies... again, no place for Dier.

Oh dear.
No he isn't.
Phil Jones? Sorry, am I mistaken or has he never played in midfield (some would argue he doesn’t play anywhere on the pitch but that is another discussion)?
Do you really think we will have Lo Celso, Ceballos and Eriksen? Or even two of those three? Nah. I don’t.
Tis clear we will not agree, so I will close off by saying I think you’re wrong, we will see what the manager thinks and lets hope that regardless of different opinions, Dier does the business when he plays.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Oh dear.
No he isn't.
Phil Jones? Sorry, am I mistaken or has he never played in midfield (some would argue he doesn’t play anywhere on the pitch but that is another discussion)?
Do you really think we will have Lo Celso, Ceballos and Eriksen? Or even two of those three? Nah. I don’t.
Tis clear we will not agree, so I will close off by saying I think you’re wrong, we will see what the manager thinks and lets hope that regardless of different opinions, Dier does the business when he plays.

Yes Jones has played in CM, and who cares England have just won the cricket World Cup

 

[HD10LS]

Yes Jones has played in CM, and who cares England have just won the cricket World Cup

If Dier had Ben Stokes’ interception skills he wouldn’t be getting this much criticism imo

 

[coys200]

I reckon it was something stupid like an ingrown toenail which is why they weren’t specific as bit embarrassing. They were specific oh appendix and tonsillitis so can only think it was possibly something minor but a bit embarrassing.

 

[Monkey boy]

I reckon it was something stupid like an ingrown toenail which is why they weren’t specific as bit embarrassing. They were specific oh appendix and tonsillitis so can only think it was possibly something minor but a bit embarrassing.

Maybe he went on a good old fashion lads holiday and come back with some extra baggage as it were??‍

 

[thelak]

Lamela is passionate and full of enthusiasm, a bit like Ledley King whom despite his awful injury history was an outstanding player and wore his heart on his shirt. Dier on the other hand ambles out, kicks people and just don’t look like he loves the club. When we 1st signed him and he scored the winner against W Ham he looked like he was full of smiles and energy... he then had an excellent season as a defensive midfielder. However, fast forward 2 years and he looks a shadow of his former self, slow, cumbersome, the smile has gone and it shows in his performances.

Maybe he just misses Dele

No coincidence both of their best periods of form were when they were best buds

 

[Japhet]

Dier is our version of Phil Jones, a Jack of many trades a master of none.

If we bring in Ceballos and Lo Celso he won’t get a sniff in midfield with NDombele, Sissoko, Winks, and even a fit again Wanyama ahead of him. He’s too slow and limited for the high press we like to play.

As a CB it’s a no for me... he’s nowhere near in Toby or Jan’s league. Even if Toby goes we’re being heavily linked with Saliba. That will leave us Jan, Sanchez, Saliba, Foyth and Davies... again, no place for Dier.

So you rate Saliba (who none of us has seen play apart from Youtube) higher than Dier as a CB?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The underrating of Dier around here astounds me. He has certain limitations but if he were as poor as some people seem to suggest, there’s no way we have our three best Premier League seasons (based on final league position) with him him starting all but 11 matches during that period (so, starting 90% of our League games).

I’d go as far as to suggest that his lack of form and fitness last season is part of the reason why we ended up fourth after three years in the top three.

Reading some of the comments on here you’d think he was Gary Doherty.

 

[Spurrific]

The underrating of Dier around here astounds me. He has certain limitations but if he were as poor as some people seem to suggest, there’s no way we have our three best Premier League seasons (based on final league position) with him him starting all but 11 matches during that period (so, starting 90% of our League games).

I’d go as far as to suggest that his lack of form and fitness last season is part of the reason why we ended up fourth after three years in the top three.

Reading some of the comments on here you’d think he was Gary Doherty.

It is a funny one, because he's not as agile as Winks he's depicted as some cumbersome oaf that runs around shitting his pants and falling over himself. He's actually a really good player, imo - and a super valuable squad member. Some people just outright don't like him, but I don't get why.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Maybe he just misses Dele

No coincidence both of their best periods of form were when they were best buds

May be, what I don’t like and you see it in both Dier and Alli is their arrogance. Whereas the likes of Winks, Lloris, Vertonghen and Kane ooze professionalism and class.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yes Jones has played in CM, and who cares England have just won the cricket World Cup

I see that he has a few times, so I stand corrected. Not many though is it. He is predominantly known as a hapless defender you'd agree?
As for the comparison with Dier? Lazy IMO.

 

[thfcsteff]

May be, what I don’t like and you see it in both Dier and Alli is their arrogance. Whereas the likes of Winks, Lloris, Vertonghen and Kane ooze professionalism and class.

Oh no. you've got it in for Dele too?!!!!! Incredible. Doubtless you'll now be telling us he has been terrible for the last year...3,2,1...

 

[TEESSIDE1]

So you rate Saliba (who none of us has seen play apart from Youtube) higher than Dier as a CB?

We’re not spending £30m on a young centre back to not use him. Look at de Ligt, he’s a kid in football terms yet is the most highly rated young talent in world football. Granted he’s played for a couple of seasons but we don’t throw that sort of money around to not utilise the player.

 

[mattyspurs]

May be, what I don’t like and you see it in both Dier and Alli is their arrogance. Whereas the likes of Winks, Lloris, Vertonghen and Kane ooze professionalism and class.

Arrogance????

 

[Flobadob]

Got no problem with us keeping Dier as a squad player. That’s where his value to us ends though in my opinion. I think he’s fine in the matches against bottom/mid table teams in midfield, but against the top teams I really do dread seeing him in the team. He moves the ball far too slowly for those matches as we are pressed and have to break through that and he also has absolutely zero ability to dribble out of tight situations, no agility and no acceleration. You need mobility in midfield in tough matches. He’s fine against poor opposition where we can just leave him back in case of a counter attack but against the top teams I find his performances are consistently very poor

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Oh no. you've got it in for Dele too?!!!!! Incredible. Doubtless you'll now be telling us he has been terrible for the last year...3,2,1...

No. I said I don’t like their billy big bollocks approach... like they’re both superstars, they’re not.

 

[Japhet]

We’re not spending £30m on a young centre back to not use him. Look at de Ligt, he’s a kid in football terms yet is the most highly rated young talent in world football. Granted he’s played for a couple of seasons but we don’t throw that sort of money around to not utilise the player.

Transfer fees have gone berserk in the past couple of seasons and 30m is what you have to pay for a player with high potential. It doesn't for one minute mean that he'll be straight into the first team, especially not ahead of a player who's been to the semi finals of the World Cup and been heavily relied on for a consistent run of top 4 finishes in the EPL. IMO, Saliba would be one for a couple of seasons time and a few run outs in between.