Match Threads Palace vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 4 - KO 12:30pm

[spursfan77]

Back line and cm 3 are close to where you expect them (even if they were poor)
Front 3 offered very little outlet. No width (I think Jenas mentioned this multiple times) and very congested with the midfield.

I found it really weird when the teams were announced that we’d abandoned the midfield of skipp Hojbjerg and Dele which had seemed to function well in the first three games. I think that was the big mistake and things were compounded from then on in. He should have selected Gil instead of son and trusted him.

 

[Matthew]

i mean, i know we're only 4 games into the season, but i have seen NONE of the DNA nuno was so blatantly shoving down our throats in his interviews. as people have rightly pointd out, we have ONE goal from open play in the league, and had 2 shots against palace, it all feels a bit mourinho-lite right now. He needs time obviously to implement his ethos etc, but it just feels like a mourinho set up of absorb pressure & counter attack... which we aren't even doing right now. It's all just meh!

take me back to our last season at the lane, when our football was enjoyable, everyone was onside - the players all loved each other - and the future was so bright! football bloody football!

 

[degoose]

reading over these comments i seriously give up with "fans" of my club. So many assumptions are made constantly with no real evidence and knee jerk reactions to one loss (by the way people have been doing this for years, its embarrassing). We were dealt a shite hand from the start because of the internationals. 5 players out due to internationals, a half fit skipp, Dier injured in the first half and a red card. I can't see many teams that would have done well under those circumstances. The only one thing i would say against Nuno was that the formation was wrong for me, he should have stuck to his previous setup which worked so well.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

For those that questioned whether edouard was good enough, at £14m he looks like we should’ve taken a punt.

 

[YB123]

For those that questioned whether edouard was good enough, at £14m he looks like we should’ve taken a punt.

As someone who watches Scottish Football, I can assure you we can much much better than him. Good finisher but doesnt offer anything else, when things get tough fans would not warm to him.

 

[YB123]

Not been on this weekend but its very clear that Ben Davies and Harry Winks should be in the conference league games and early cup games only this season.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

reading over these comments i seriously give up with "fans" of my club. So many assumptions are made constantly with no real evidence and knee jerk reactions to one loss (by the way people have been doing this for years, its embarrassing). We were dealt a shite hand from the start because of the internationals. 5 players out due to internationals, a half fit skipp, Dier injured in the first half and a red card. I can't see many teams that would have done well under those circumstances. The only one thing i would say against Nuno was that the formation was wrong for me, he should have stuck to his previous setup which worked so well.

Don't use the internationals as an excuse. As I said in a previous post Lo Celso and Romero wouldn't have started and been on the bench as they have this season. Only Son and Sanchez would have played and Nuno had enough talent in the squad to play a team that could get a result at Palace. If Skipp wasn't fit he wouldn't have played him. You talk about "giving up with the fans of YOUR club" well they are entitled to give their opinion on a very poor display. You will always get knee jerk reactions after a loss but that display at Palace was shocking and most are telling it as it is.
I think most fans thought that it was a temporary position at the top with a good result against City but the other two were not a great display against opposition that we should have put away. The squad isn't strong enough to mount a challenge for top 4 but should be able to make 5,6,or 7 with a bit of luck and sensible selections and hopefully some attractive football but it's down to the manager to get the best out of what he has.

 

[YB123]

Don't use the internationals as an excuse. As I said in a previous post Lo Celso and Romero wouldn't have started and been on the bench as they have this season. Only Son and Sanchez would have played and Nuno had enough talent in the squad to play a team that could get a result at Palace. If Skipp wasn't fit he wouldn't have played him. You talk about "giving up with the fans of YOUR club" well they are entitled to give their opinion on a very poor display. You will always get knee jerk reactions after a loss but that display at Palace was shocking and most are telling it as it is.
I think most fans thought that it was a temporary position at the top with a good result against City but the other two were not a great display against opposition that we should have put away. The squad isn't strong enough to mount a challenge for top 4 but should be able to make 5,6,or 7 with a bit of luck and sensible selections and hopefully some attractive football but it's down to the manager to get the best out of what he has.

We lost 6 senior players through the international break and you dont believe it can be used as an excuse?!

 

[Freddie]

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[TheTanguy]

Is there still a player ratings thread?

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[crazyguitarman]

We lost 6 senior players through the international break and you dont believe it can be used as an excuse?!

It's pointing at the symptoms instead of the cause mate. Given our luck with injuries over the past seasons you would think the people at the top would do something to address it. To be three games into the season, and already reeling from the consequences of lack of squad depth, is not bad luck it is bad planning.

 

[YB123]

It's pointing at the symptoms instead of the cause mate. Given our luck with injuries over the past seasons you would think the people at the top would do something to address it. To be three games into the season, and already reeling from the consequences of lack of squad depth, is not bad luck it is bad planning.

I agree with squad depth. Too much "oh they are good squad players, good pro's" when talking about the likes of Davies and Winks. When the harsh reality is, these players are not good enough when called upon. Not sure its the depth, more of the quality.

 

[crazyguitarman]

I agree with squad depth. Too much "oh they are good squad players, good pro's" when talking about the likes of Davies and Winks. When the harsh reality is, these players are not good enough when called upon. Not sure its the depth, more of the quality.

I think Davies and Winks are passable in the situation where there is e.g. one injury to the first XI which needs some temporary cover. It's not a realistic strategy for Spurs though, when the fact is we are playing our backup team consistently for large portions of the season. So yes, I agree with you there, we need more quality in our squad overall and that means more backup players who can reasonably compete for first XI places and play well together when the first XI are out.

 

[robin09]

We were unlucky with the selection problems and injuries from the international break.

Nuno went too defensive in response to the squad problems.

The players didn't play anywhere near well enough, regardless of the system or personnel.

Nuno didn't make the right changes when things were looking bleak.

Tanganga and Davies committed 2 individual, avoidable errors that changed the game.

I think its a combination of all these factors that led to the performance. We just have to see lessons being learned from it.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

We lost 6 senior players through the international break and you dont believe it can be used as an excuse?!

Other than Sanchez and Son who where the other 4 internationals that would have started and we missed?

 

[TorontoYid]

Other than Sanchez and Son who where the other 4 internationals that would have started and we missed?

Romero, Lo Ceslo, Sessegnon, Skipp and Bergwijn.

This just highlights though how we just don't have enough depth in some roles like up front. I can't help but think that if City lost players in the same positions they would probably still beat Palace or at least keep the scoreline a lot closer. Yes it is excessive but DL stopping our transfers because he felt we are strong enough is going to come and bite us this season.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Romero, Lo Ceslo, Sessegnon, Skipp and Bergwijn.

This just highlights though how we just don't have enough depth in some roles like up front. I can't help but think that if City lost players in the same positions they would probably still beat Palace or at least keep the scoreline a lot closer. Yes it is excessive but DL stopping our transfers because he felt we are strong enough is going to come and bite us this season.

Skipp actually played and the other 4 would probably have been on the bench so the starting eleven would I suspect have been what he put out. The only difference is he had them to bring on but seeing as he was reluctant to make earlier changes wouldn't have made any difference to the result.

 

[ardiles]

Skipp actually played and the other 4 would probably have been on the bench so the starting eleven would I suspect have been what he put out. The only difference is he had them to bring on but seeing as he was reluctant to make earlier changes wouldn't have made any difference to the result.

With due respect, I disagree with your post.

If we had the three quarantined SA players available for this match, I think our starting CBs would have been Dier and Sanchez. When Dier was injured, Romero would have replaced him. I doubt Rodon or Davies would have played in this game, although they might have some game time in the upcoming midweek game. Davies was at fault for one goal and possibly another.

Our starting RB would likely have been Tanganga as he would have been aware of Zaha’s quality and would have been better at handling him as a RB. Not putting any blame on Royal though. Tanganga is more defensive minded RB than Royal, and would likely, not have been caught up front when Zaha burst down the line , prior to Tanganga’s first booking. He’d also have his CBs covering him, so he might not have made that foul on Zaha, earning him his first yellow. Remember that the score was 0-0 at the point when Tanganga was sent off, so it might have been a different situation if we had eleven players for the full game.

As for the starting midfield, I would have expected GLC to have started over Winks. GLC would have provided better support to our attackers than Winks.

 

[mill]

As someone who watches Scottish Football, I can assure you we can much much better than him. Good finisher but doesnt offer anything else, when things get tough fans would not warm to him.

We can’t get anyone, better or worse

 

[YB123]

We can’t get anyone, better or worse

Hopefully we do! But there is a reason no bigger prem clubs went in for Edouard. Just need a bit of perspective.